13 Clayton Businesses Caught Selling Alcohol To Minors - http://www.1270wmpm.com/wmpm_local_news.htm Good for the Clayton PD. I hope it serves as a lesson for other store clerks out there. DON'T SELL ALCOHOL TO MINORS!
I have said before that the Clayton PD is a good example of the way most small/moderate town police departments should be modeled after.
Tell us who the 5 good stores were! "Five stores that were checked refused to sell to the minors." Who were these 5 stores. Should be commended for refusing to sell to a minor!
No one should be commended for doing what they're supposed to be doing. Or, how about... PoohBear, you woke up this morning, good for you!!! What's that you say? You actually stopped at all the red lights on your way in to work? You deserve a medal!
If they want to put some teeth into this, why doesn't the ABC board suspend the beverage sales permit for the 7 stores for 90 days. I think owner/managers might get a hint at that point. If not, goto 180. 3rd strike-no alchohol sales. Give the clerks some orange suit litter patrol time for 1st offense.
I'm sure there is a pansy out there that would whine that that is too hard on the working man.:roll::roll:
I know that at Walnut Creek Amphitheatre, if you sell to underage, you are fired and the ABC WILL suspend the license at the venue. In fact, all people serving alcohol out there have to go through a training class to detect phony licenses and dates that are changed on them. It isn't unusual for the facility to confiscate 50 licenses per event. And, if you are caught out there trying to use a phony license...they issue you a citiation and toss your tail out!
i dont think its the atmosphere hes talking about. some bars dont card... and the kids who want a drink know exactly which ones. ;x
WHAT?!?!?!?!? OK, you're kidding this time, right? You can't seriously believe that you don't reinforce some one when they do something right. Come on! That's Behavior Mod. 101. It's also common sense. When you want a behavior to continue, you reinforce it. If you want stores to stop selling beer to minors, give them medals, give them your business, throw a freaking party in the street in front of the store. Let them put up a sign that says they passed the freaking test. REWARD the BEHAVIOR! The more you do to reward it, the more likely it is that the store will continue to be dilligent in making sure that none of its employees sell to alcoholic beverages to minors. BTW, you do get rewarded for waking up in the morning. If you show up to work, you get paid. You do it over and over for years, and yes, somebody may give you a medal for it. When you stop at red lights, you avoid negative consequences, such as getting killed or getting a ticket. That is called negative reinforcement. Negative reinforcement is also the motivater for not selling beer to minors. However, positive reinforcement works better, in general. So why not use it? Snuff P.S. Next time you pretend to be an expert on human behavior, you might want to provide some references to back up your claims.
That's a very interesting article. But I don't see where it says not to praise kids. It shows that praise for working hard is more effective than praise for being smart. Like a lot of things that seem obvious after somebody else does the research, it makes sense that being smart/having high intelligence is something we have no control over. Each person has certain gifts, and those gifts might include intelligence in various forms - math ability, musical ability, mechanical ability, language ability - and if the child is always praised for having that ability, and never for how hard they work to develop that ability - leads them to believe that either they can do the job or they can't, and some of them appear not to try, rather than risk failure. What I got out of that article is that it's better to praise children for what they do, rather than for their innate abilities.
Exactly. You don't praise people for doing what they are supposed to do anyway. You praise them for doing more than what's expected of them. In relation to the stores in question, you don't praise them for abiding by the law, but you might praise them for calling the cops on a teen who tries to buy alcohol.
You're comparing apples and oranges here, Clif. I was talking about reinforcing BEHAVIOR, not static traits. Nothing in the article you cited contradicts what I was saying, and in fact, supports what I was saying. The principle is that you reinforce (reward) desired behaviors to encourage the behaviors to continue. An example of a use of this principle is to reinforce the EFFORT of the students in the NY study, because that is a purposeful behavior. Refusing to sell alcohol to mnors is a purposeful behavior that is desired and shoud be reinforced. Reinforcement is the best way to teach those behaviors that one "should" do, as you put it. Never mind that you're vague about what those "shoulds" are and who decides what goes in that category. Your insistence that "shoulds" should never be reinforced leads me to believe that you have a punishment-based mind set, that everyone should do certain things or else be punished. Well that's not going to be effective if it's the only thing you do. What it will do is lead to resentment and other ill feelings and resistance from the one who is being punished all the time. You ever hold the door for the person coming behind you? Something you "should" do, rather than let it slam in their face, right? Did the person say "Thank you"? Based on your argument, the person should not say "thank you" because that's reinforcing (rewarding) you for doing something you should do. Reading lots of articles on the internet does not make you an expert. You have to know how to make sense of what you are reading. Snuff
Hey Clif, if i am not mistaken, weren't you the one that said prisoners should be rewarded for good behavior (doing just what they are supposed to do) by earning an earlier release than their sentence? Why should prisoners be rewarded for doing what they should but not others?
I wondered what the heck was going on! Since I got back from business I've been carded at every place except the usual convenience store I go to. Plus, I've got one of those bum licenses the DMV was giving out so its barely legible.
