Clif, I am a vehement non-smoker. I object to your broad categoriazation as all of us as being intractable and wanting special accomodations. I personally agree with the suggestions that bars are open agme, and restaurants should decide, with all taxpayer buildings as non smoking. Seems reaonable enough to me. That way, the free market gets to influence choices. I'd choose to eat at NS restaurants, and you can do as you like. Common sense workable solution.
That would be just after they list a cause of death as drunk driving, which everyone seems to believe is dangerous and causes deaths, but is not a cause of death. Driving drunk has never killed anyone, but an automobile accident caused by driving drunk has. Just as exposure to a carcenogenic compound will never be used as a cause of death, but the cancer caused by that exposure will. You might be interested in the several thousand scientists disagreeing with you on this line of thought.
The references do not limit the effects to children even though you may believe otherwise. Secondhand smoke exposure causes disease and premature death in children and adults who do not smoke. Adults are specifically mentioned. Secondhand smoke contains hundreds of chemicals known to be toxic or carcinogenic, including formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic ammonia and hydrogen cyanide.3 All of these are harmful regardless of the age, however the potential risk is greater for earlier carcenogenic exposure. A study found that nonsmokers exposed to environmental smoke were 25 percent more likely to have coronary heart diseases compared to nonsmokers not exposed to smoke.5 Not limited to exposure as children. Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke at work are at increased risk for adverse health effects. Levels of ETS in restaurants and bars were found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with smokers and 2 to 6 times higher than in office workplaces.6 This is specific to adult exposure.
I don't care if you smoke, just like you don't care if I fart. But you wouldn't want me to fart on you and your clothes smell like that all night, so don't smoke on me. Respect your fellow man....that's all it is.
If I lean into some ones face to smoke I expect some retaliation... But if some one leans into my face to fart... guess where I'm going to put my cigarette out at! I don't know why I thought of that... it just struck me as funny...:?
When I go out I make the decision whether to go to a smoking establishment or nonsmoking establishment and then choose an establishment accordingly. I feel sorry for those that cannot make such a simple decision in their life and feel that everyone should make a change to suit them.
Sitting at a Local Pub and it was packed. I was at the bar talking with some friends having a few and this gentleman asked me if I would mind moving away from the bar while smoking as his wife was allergic to smoke. I told him that I would put it out as they were waiting for a table in Non-Smoking. However the next person he asked told him that Zeb's across the Street had a non-smoking bar and suggested he go there. "Oh well we like the Pizza here." was the non-smokers response. "And I like to smoke at the bar. I suggest you get it to go" Discussion over. The end.
Typical smoker. Just look at all the cigarette butts lying on the ground. After your kids have spent some time around your husband - maybe sitting on his lap if they're still that little - ask someone who is never around smokers to smell your kids clothes. If he's been outside smoking on a rainy day, it'll be even worse. Several generations of my family made their living from it. I helped barn tobacco growing up. I don't care. Its time to move on. I wish we'd never been locked into it by government subsidies in the first place. See, its a slippery slope in the right direction. Its only a matter of time. That should be a wake up call. Do you enjoy having your mental state (and your wallet) controlled by cigarettes? Quite the contrary. I don't know anyone who doesn't like fresh air. Its the smokers demanding accommodations. I like the idea of the all-or-nothing businesses. That's a great idea. The halfway junk we have now is stupid because the only people who benefit are the smokers.
No smoking in restaurants is just a matter of time! How about a law/statue in NC that owner of restaurant or bar must decide on smoking or no smoking atmosphere. No such thing as "smoking" and "no smoking" sections. No smoking sections in restaurants/bars is a joke. In many restaurants/bars there is a isle separating the sections. Adopt this law/statue and the "smoking" restaurants go out of buisness quickly. A prime example is the Cracker Barrel in Smithfield. The smoking section is the first dining area. You have to walk through the smoking area to get to non smoking. I have complained to their local management, cashiers and corporate office. No changes. So I don't go there. Also look at the history of airline industry. They used to move non swmoking sign up or back the aisle depending on the number of smokers on a particular flight. What a joke! 3 feet separated smokers and non smokers. One of these days all restaurants will be non smoking just like the airlines are today. It is only a matter of time. In the meantime I will just let owners know how I feel and move on.
Like I said. Ask several people who are never around smokers if they can smell smoke in your children's clothes and hair. Its not about how businesses are run. Its about having the right to go in public without breathing smoke and smelling like cigarettes. Most people don't consider a request for fresh air overly demanding. The in-your-face attitude that most smokers have is the very reason things are changing.
No, it's about people like you who see no problem in having the government force me to change the way I run my business. The problem is that you see a privately owned business as a public place. It's not. I pay the rent and all other fees to open my doors. I get to choose who to allow in my business and who I refuse. You have no more right to tell me how to run my business than you do to tell me how to run my household. And it's obnoxious people like you who cause smokers to jump on all non-smokers as being militant.
I stopped at a bar on the way home and am outraged that they had the nerve to smoke in my presence.......Dang biker bars, no respect
Not quite right, otherwise racial discrimination could still exist. I believe it was the Interstate Commerce rules that restaurants fell under that allowed for the federal government to restrict that practice. I assume you are speaking from a philosophical viewpoint and not a legal one though, correct?
You can "believe" whatever you want, but that doesn't make it a fact. Interstate Commerce rules don't cover locally owned restaurants. It only covers commerce that occurs between states. However, I can't find any reference to a law that says that I cannot refuse to do business with someone because of their race. If you would please provide a link, I would appreciate it.
I have and again they don't stink. So tell me - since you are so sure, have you smelled my kids lately? :lol: In your face attitude! ha! that's funny.
