Approximately 4-6 hours after I eat at Taco Bell, I'm mysteriously surrounded by Methane Gas. It's very disturbing to those around me, I think I'm gonna sue them!!!!
where exactly is the stump dump? i have been hearing about it for days and have no clue as to where it is.
Just to be clear methane is a colorless and odorless gas. The smell is added to naturla gas to aid in detection of leaks and sulfur compounds are produced in the decay of organic matter as well, which is generally the smell from "swamp gas".
Everyone who is complaining and NOT ONE PERSON stayed at Clayton High where they have a set up. People just want to whine about it. Honestly, they should be talking with the state. Here is the exact reason that it had to be covered... " It is an "eye sore" and we (the state) want you to cover it. Never happened before it was covered because mr boyette knew better. when you have green wood that gets covered it is going to create it own heat to dry out. thus getting a chemical reaction. PLEASE DIRECT ALL INQUIRIES TO THE STATE OF N.C.
Tit thanks for clearing that up for everyone. My dh has been there since Tuesday and finally come home last night for some sleep. They are monitoring CO levels very closely and even told some they had to leave because of the levels in there house. Also agree that Mr boyette is very nice and was only doing what the state asked him to do.
Will NC Legislate Stump Dumps like RI? 5/31/2006 Assembly passes Sosnowski ‘stump dump’ bill The General Assembly has passed and transmitted to the governor legislation that would redefine tree waste to determine whether it is a solid waste that must be disposed of in a licensed facility. Introduced by Sen. V. Susan Sosnowski in response to growing concern and frustration over the unregulated “stump dump” site in Richmond, the bill (2006 - S2048Aaa) gives the Department of Environmental Management the authority to regulate tree stumps as solid waste and dispose of the waste at a licensed facility. “Once this legislation is enacted into law, residents of Richmond and surrounding towns will no longer have to deal with the illegal ‘stump dump’ site that has been plaguing the area for over two years,” said Senator Sosnowski (D-Dist. 37, New Shoreham, South Kingstown). “The Department of Environmental Management will be given the power to clean up the hazardous area and provide some relief to these communities.” The 15-acre former gravel bank located next to Route 95 in Richmond is filled with thousands of cubic yards of tree waste, with underground fires burning almost continuously. Decaying material has produced methane gas, and residents of Richmond have expressed concern over a major fire. The area has also become a breeding ground for cockroaches. Under the bill, tree waste is considered to be all parts of a tree including stumps, branches and logs. Tree waste would be considered solid waste unless it meets the following criteria: -The tree waste remains on the property where it was generated; -The tree waste remains in the possession of the person who generated it, and is stored above the ground surface on property that the same person controls, for purposes of recycling or reuse; -The tree waste, whether generated on or off-site, is being actively managed as a usable wood product such as landscape mulch, woodchips or firewood. If tree waste does not meet these criteria, then it must be disposed of in a solid waste management facility. Solid waste, under General Law, refers to garbage, refuse and other discarded solid materials generated by residential, institutional, commercial, industrial and agricultural sources, but does not include domestic sewage, sewage sludge, hazardous waste, asphalt or concrete. Currently, tree waste is not considered solid waste; Senator Sosnowski’s legislation would include some forms of tree waste, such as tree stumps, as solid waste. Senator Sosnowski said that illegal “stump dumps” could potentially affect the air and water quality of the dump itself and surrounding areas. “This legislation ensures that what happened with the ‘stump dump’ site in Richmond will never happen to any other communities in Rhode Island,” she said. Moreover, any facility that is licensed or registered by the Rhode Island Department of Environmental Management (DEM) that accepts greater than three cubic yards of tree waste would be considered an existing tree waste management facility. All existing tree management facilities are required to notify the DEM and the local fire chief, in writing, of the existence and scope of their tree waste management activities no later than August 30, 2006. These facilities must also incorporate their tree waste management activities in a revised operating plan as part of the next renewal of their license or registration. Senator Sosnowski’s bill was passed today by the House of Representatives and will be transmitted to the governor. For more information, contact: Shana Mancinho, Publicist State House Room 20 Providence, RI 02903 (401) 222-2457
Don't know but I saw a report that the stump dump was cited for not totally covering the debris. What do these people who make these laws and claims and what not, think happens when inert matter decays and rots? Are they just that stupid? As to the people who are complaining and thinking about sueing Mr. Boyette for damages. This place has been there long before any of the subdivisions in the area were, the people who bought houses in the area knew it was there when they bought them, so I say tough ta-ta to those complaining. As for the report that smoke and stench could be smelled in Raleigh and even in Durham (not saying it couldn't happen) but with the wind we have had lately it is highly unlikely that the smoke would not have been severly disappated long before it reached Raleigh or even Durham. If the smoke from the townhome fire last week in Raleigh didn't set off smoke detectors at NCSU then I seriously doubt that smoke from the stump dump did (as reported on the news channels) The stump dump has been in operation for 8+ years and till the government stepped in and made Mr. Boyette cover the waste (which has been shown to have a history of causing problems) there wasn't a single problem. Craig
Another side of this story! As we exited the RBC Center on Wednesday night about 11:15pm you could definitely smell the "stump dump" smoke. And the N&O has a different take on "there wasn't a single problem". Quotes from N&O article on 3/2 follows: =========================================== "State officials on Thursday said the fire, which has sent an acrid stench as far as Raleigh this week, could have been avoided had the owner followed rules for operating a landfill for construction debris, state officials said. Stump Dump Inc. owner Larry Boyette had been cited twice last year for letting the piles of cleared brush he kept on Loop Road grow to more than an acre, according to the Division of Solid Waste. He also failed to completely cover the site with dirt, which would have starved the combustible material of the oxygen it needs to burn. "A properly run facility should not catch on fire as this one did," said Paul Crissman, section chief of the solid waste division of the state Department of the Environment and Natural Resources. Stump Dump had been cited for several other violations in its eight-year history. Crissman said his department will consider imposing fines or shutting down the facility, a drop-off point for debris cleared from nearby construction sites."
Hey!!! Seriously, the N&O said today that Mr Boyette had been notified that his stump dump was getting too large- I think they said he had a permit for a 1 acre dump (uncovered area) and it kept growing larger. They also said that the state required the stumps and debris to be covered because the dirt would displace any oxygen that might feed the fire in case of spontaneous combustion- the exact opposite of what some previous posts here have said. So which is true?????? (I know from first-hand experience how badly the media can screw up the "real" story- but the N&O's story kinda makes sense here....) Rig.
If I'm not mistaken, fire has 3 requirements: fuel; heat; oxygen. I could be wrong, and I'm sure someone will correct me. Covering the debris with dirt probably is not sufficient to eliminate air pockets, I would guess it would have to be packed down with heavy equipment, like a landfill, to accomplish that.
Here's a good link (pdf) on causes for landfill fires. http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/downloads/pdf/tfrs/v1i18-508.pdf Only 5% are attributed to spontaneous combustion.
I'm not exactly sure what's stump dump really mean, but I guess it means all tree stumps were dumped in a certain area. If I'm correct, then why can't people who wanted their tree stump removed by using a grinding machine - the one it can grind down toward the root? Coming from FL, this was the most commonly used and burning stumps are illegal due to health and environmental hazard.
Stump Dump is a name that people have given to these types of "organic" landfills- but it's also the formal name of this place that's burning IIRC- "The Stump Dump Inc"??. Stump dumps are somewhat common around here for people to dispose of stumps, brush, branches, leaves, etc that otherwise might end up in the landfill. I've seen some folks who have used this type of debris to fill in large ditches and pits on their land- not sure how that works in the long run.... It is still legal to burn debris such as stumps and brush, you'll see it from time to time when people clear off lots for development. But more any more you see the big grinders that grind all the stuff into mulch. Much less smoke and pollution, but then they end up with tons of mulch to dispose of. As to your question about why people can't just get their stumps ground down with stump grinders- the answer is: they can and do, but it's alot cheaper for someone who's clearing off a lot to just dig up the stumps and haul them off to a stump dump- where dumping them is fairly cheap. Rig
We were to have 4 or 5 70 foot pines trees taken down this week, but didn't because the Stump Dump is closed and that's where the tree guy was going to take them. That's going to make a HUGE pile of debris I don't particularly want burned or ground up on my property. But with hurricane season fast approaching, I want them DOWN! :mrgreen: I've sweated bullets ever since we moved in every time the wind gets up, we had several done about 6 years ago, time to do some more........................... He sure doesn't have to take them far if they open back up!
Because the fines are going to be so heavy that the operation may go under. Not to mention, even if he could salvage the business out of this, the environmental agencies that grant him the opportunity to operate may revoke his licenses, etc. Don't take that wrong T4T... that family is friends with DH's family, and they lived across the road from him for 10 years, until DH's parents moved 6 years ago. We all feel terrible for the situation he's in, and are worried about him. But facts are facts.
