How Do You Fix A Bully?

That's all that was needed. Bullying is a crime and the cops should be notified.

Believe it or not, I don't have anything personal against you. It just seems like you just happen to be the one who punched my buttons.

I did publically apologize, by the way, for jumping to conclusions.

If there is, then I might understand. But the reply I got was not something of that sort. And, since this all began, no one has pointed out any other similar names.

 

Ooooooo. You PC do-gooders just got told off by a hispanic lady. :lol:

Political correctness is just too funny to ignore. I can't resist poking you with a stick to see what you say next.

Its probably because she's black. She can't help it.

 

You should layoff, KD. Whether or not people want to admit it, bullying has become a racial issue in our schools. There is a violent sub-culture within the black community, and these kids get more dangerous as they get older.

They don't care if they get in trouble, they give each other accolades when they "steal" (beat up) a white kid. Their goal is to push a child until they can't take anymore. They push the victim to the limit by spewing racial slurs and hateful remarks towards them repeatedly. Then either they jump the kid or the kid finally reaches a boil and reacts...and then both are suspended - even the victim. It is the goal of the kids in this sub-culture to get the academically-minded and otherwise well-behaved, and usually "white", kids suspended. They brag about it. Often, the victim doesn't even know the perpetrators name.

It is my belief that the schools also suspend the victims, because it keeps the racial ratio of their suspensions more "balanced." When the racial make up of suspensions gets too "unbalanced", the schools come under fire from the the local race-baiters, so they work to trivialize this violence and make the victims out as "just as responsible."

The parents of these kids don't care if they get suspended, don't care if they succeed at school, and don't show up for meetings....so the perpetrators don't suffer punishment....they just school ordered days off from school. That's all it means to them. When they get back in school, they are a hero to their group. The bragging goes on for weeks, and they've earned another notch of "respect" in their group. In the meantime, the white victim missed important school work and their grades are drastically and devastatingly affected.

The schools don't respond to any type of concern shown by the parents of the victims. The resource officers refuse to contact the victim's parents, the school refuses to tell the perpetrators names, nor what punishment the perpetrators received...the parents have to find out by asking other kids if the perpetrators were in school to find out if they were equally suspended. If the incident occurs on a school bus, the school refuses to even tell the parents if the perpetrators are being allowed back on the bus...which keeps the parents from making a determination as to whether or not it's safe to allow their child to ride the bus. Principals refuse to call parents back, and it is their hope that by doing this, they will wear the victim's parents down until they'll just drop the issue.

This is an escalating problem in our public schools, and I have been researching it for some time. I would like very much to hear from parents locally who are having problems with bullying at any level.

 

Times have changed, KD. Many of the bullies today in school aren't suffering from self-esteem issues like when we were kids. Fighting back doesn't cause them to stop messing with the victim. This is a whole different animal. Fighting back now results in more violence and danger for the child. The older the child, getting into middle and high school, the more dangerous it is for the child. When the child fights back, they then end up with 5 kids wanting to beat them up instead of just one, because there is a frightening group "I've got your back" mentality with these kids.

Read this, KD: http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/long-beach-hate-crime-verdict/15545/

This exact same mindset is becoming rampant in our schools. Many of the parents here have kids in elementary, where the effect is sporatic and still fairly minimal. The perpetrators in today's elementary schools are the dangerous violent bullies in high school later. If this is not addressed now, when these kids are young, I fear for anyone whose child must attend our high schools in the years that follow.

Anyone who thinks this gang and violence mentality doesn't exist in our schools, is fooling themselves..

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1199183/

 

With the "zero tolerance" policies in today's schools, this is what I've been told: Even when the victim has not done anything to provoke the physical "altercation", they gauge who gets suspended (and who is equally responsible) on the reaction of the victim.

In order to not get suspended, the victim must react with soley "reasonable restraint". I asked for a definition of "reasonable" restraint, and was told that this means "holding the other child(ren) off." It was confirmed for me that if the victim even scratches the bully slightly in trying to get the bully off of them, or by trying to stop a punch, the victim is considered as going beyond "reasonable restraint", and will be punished equally as the bully. I have info on a case where a child was jumped by 3 other kids. Despite the fact that it was 3 on 1, the victim scratched the face of one of the bullies while trying to defend themselves, and was equally punished.

 

Great information. One thing to remember, and it depends on the school system, but in Wake County schools, this holds true....

Assaults that occur on school property or on the school bus, must be handled through the resource officer of the school. If a parent calls the police about an assault on school property, they will only refer the parent to the resource officer for the school. A parent cannot press charges against the child through the regular police, and the resource officer gets to decide if charges should be charged...and they typically refuse to press charges. The parent is held powerless.

 

That is absolutely untrue, Clif. Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

If someone says "I know that person will be unfair in handling this situation because they are black", without the black person having any involvement in the situation yet, would be racist. A parent who is seeing a pattern of mishandling, and sensing favoritism in the handling of a situation involving a black school administrator and a black student is not racist. It's an observation of fact. You cannot ignore something that is occuring detrimentally for your child, in order to be politically correct.

Races have various cultures and sub-cultures, and culture is all about beliefs and behaviors. Talking about concern over behaviors that are occuring within a specific race is not racism. It's concern over facts that are actively occuring.

Even if the poster was concerned about the association between the race of the school administrators, the race of the child perpetrator, and the race of their child victim...that is not racism. It is a legitimate concern, because there are incidents where this association is a factor in how the bullying situation is being handled....whether people want to admit it and have dialogue about it or not.

 

Unfortunately, apparently so. Of course, most of the information I have is in regards to Wake Co schools, and the Wake Co. School system is so large and so powerful, that it's almost like a govt unto itself. Which is a real shame, because parents have so little power to get anything taken care of.

 

You are not obligated to believe it. Depending on whether or not you have children and in which school system and grade they are in, I guess you'll have to experience it yourself to believe it.

Sadly, no. Because it is based on race. When the behaviors of the perpetratros is to taunt and bully using race, and the victims are selected based on race, then it's about race. Denying it doesn't change that.

 

One further response...

In response to your question about districts...do you feel this is not occuring in our district because there hasn't been a news report on it?

As for policy, there is also a school board policy that states that if a physical altercation occurs on a school bus in Wake co., the bus driver is required to pull over and call police. But I know of a case where that did not happen. In fact, the bus driver did nothing. It was reported to the school, but the driver is still driving the bus...and when the parents asked to know what was done about the driver's refusal to follow policy, the parents were told that they cannot be given any information regarding the investigation and it's outcome because it's a confidential personnel matter.

It's also Wake co. School board policy that if a child threatens a child with physical harm, the child is to be suspended...but that did not occur despite witness statements. As a result of this, the perpetrator did indeed eventually physically harm the student.

It's also Wake Co School board policy that a child is required to be given due process by being confronted with the charges before being suspended, that did not occur. The parents left the school thinking that the situation would be taken care of, and that evening, after the victim was home, the parents rec'd a phone call telling them their child was equally suspended. The child was never told the charges and allowed to rebut or defend themselves against the charges.

Despite the parents escalating these issues to the school board, no action was taken. The parents were unable to take it further because the School board governs what occurs in the school, and the school board governs itself. How convenient.

School board policy doesn't mean diddly if it's not enforced.

 

holy crap you spam.

 

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magnolia seems to have her feet planted firmly on the ground and her head out of the sand,you go Lady
If you ever decide to run for any office in Johnston County let me know,not
only would I vote for you but I would help you get elected:-D

 

The world is coming off it's axis, I agree with Raven! :lol:

 

It seems the reasonable force is limited in scope in the regulations, but not exactly as indicated.

http://www.wcpss.net/policy-files/series/policies/6425-bp.html

6425
Fighting/Physical Aggression or Assault
6425

Fighting and assaults on students and other people are prohibited. A student who is attacked may use reasonable force in self-defense, but only to the extent necessary to get free from the attack and notify proper school authorities. A student who exceeds reasonable force may be disciplined even though someone else provoked the fight.

 

I agree with Magnolia 1000%. I have been there and I BELIEVE what she is saying.
It is just the way it is now a days.

So my point here also is what turtle said was not racist at all. I didnt take it that way.

Thanks for your posts Magnolia.

When can raven and I start our work to get you elected?

 

Magnolia has my vote, too!

 

Some of you guys keep missing the point of the post. There is a child being harmed at school and the school administrators are doing nothing about it. Who cares Black, White, Hispanic. The point is that NOONE is helping the child. you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. it looks to me like the ones worried about this being a racial thread are the ones who are trying to start DRAMA. I am a proud yankee cracker who does not feel the need to argue any further about STUPID name calling by people who don't have a clue what they are talking about or have any comprehension of what they are reading. Lets all get back to the real issue which is the bullying that this poor child has to encounter every single day. by the way the pricipal at west view is named Edmundson as well and she is white. " OMG. I must be racist because I called her white!"

 

Actually Grammie, the principal at Cleveland Elementary (not Westview) is named Linda Edmundson and yes she is white...not that it matters...I agree the real problem here is with the poor child who is being bullied. My heart aches for this child as I had a similar situation with my son who is an 8th grader being bullied by a (yes I'm going to say it....black little punk...and yes my son is white). But I don't care if he was green it was just plain wrong. My son's a good kid (not perfect by any means) but because he's smart and tries to do the right thing he gets picked on by this kid. No physical violence...just vicious name calling. I think mental abuse is worse than physical some times because it doesn't go away. This kid had my son thinking he was a "freak" or something because he was told just that and other very ugly remarks. My son is a normal young man just trying to make it through Jr. High without permanent scars (emotional). And by the way, one of my son's best friends (and has been since kindergarten) is one of the sweetest, nicest black kids I have ever known. We are not racists and his friend and all decent people, black, white, or whatever color are always welcomed in our home.

 

I am sorry about the mistake of the school. I am not a racist either but I am prejudice against liars and stupid people. I am not saying anyone has lied or they are stupid, so lets not start another DRAMA people. Got to go my grand son got caught in a mouse trap.