C3 - are you listening?????

After reading a few of these posts, it makes me more grateful than ever that my family attends a ''normal'' church... that being said we go on Sunday at about 11 am for one hour. We do not expect to be entertained by a BAND or have a power-point production show. We hear a message from our pastor and sing a few songs from a hymnal and pray. Each Sunday we know what to expect, and I find that works for us.

Again: We are not looking for entertainment.

 

I don't think that is what was being said, or maybe I read it wrong. What I thought was being said was to be careful when talking about or judging God's anointed. HOWEVER... that doesn't mean that if you know a "man of God" is doing something that goes against the Word (such as having an affair, etc.) that you're supposed to ignore it. God holds His anointed to a higher standard than the rest of us, but being anointed by God certainly doesn't make a man perfect.

 

right. or else....which is implied by this:


God is not pleased with anyone who does offences against any of his annointed. He just doesn't. There are alot of stories in the bible about people who have done that and have had consequences.

and this:

But if you are saying things about someone legitimately doing God's work, you are in for issues.


that one assumes that the pastor is infallible, that we are not to even question him. that type of response is suspicious, imho. if they are truly "legitimately doing god's work", they would welcome the questions and respond openly and fully and without being defensive. if they've got nothing to hide, they should gladly open their books and show their works and where the money goes and how many houses the pastor owns..

 

No, I don't go to C3. I go to a very samll church in the Benson area. But every word I have stated in my posts is backed up by the bible itself. No "Waco's" or "Jim Jones'" about it. Read it for yourself before you make opinions about anything. I promise it won't hurt you.....

 

Questions to to pastors are normal. I never said to not ask questions. But running around talking about someone when you may not know the real truth is WRONG. Just because YOU may not like someone or YOU have issues, does not make the person wrong for the world. Wrong for you maybe, in which case YOU need to move on. It is AMAZING to me how people read in to things when it comes to issues about God. Everyone has these magnifying specs on and is just looking to find a flaw.

Here's a neat thing to do!!!:?: :!: Look at yourself. Now, when you are perfect, we will alert the media. AND! When you find the PERFECT church, I can guarantee that a once you, me or anyone else walks in the door, it won't be perfect anymore.

Point???? Glad you asked. Bottom line, NO ONE IS PERFECT. Get past the fantasy.........find another church if you are not comfortable with the one you are at.

I believe the noise volume at C3 was the original issue. I do not know the problem first hand as I live no where near there but I have said SEVERAL times that it may be best to show up in person and talk to someone face to face. I hope it all works out!

 

EVeryone is busy questioning ethics and such. I am not overly concerned about all this. I don't wish to bash a church I know little about.
All I want is to not have work start after 7 am, as is the legal statute in Johnston COunty and to have them per haps realize just how loud the music is at some of the services. Sunday morning, once, again, alli could hear was the loud boom boom of the bass and.or drums. It was unpleasant since we are trying to rest. Kiddo and I were in a major accident in Four Oaks on Saturday. (i'll make another post on that under another topic - you don't think anyone wished it on me do you...hee hee hee)

For the record, I called and left a message. I was told someone would get back with me. NOTHING. NADA. ZIPPO Ziltch. THanks for keeping the lines of communication with the community open.

 

Am I invisible here???:lol: :lol: GO UP THERE and ask to talk to someone. I am not trying to be cranky, but have you tried that? I'm telling ya, if ya go up there and go in and state your concern, it may work better. After all, who cannot answer if you're standing there? 8)

 

peppercorns wrote

Get you a recorder and record their music(from your house) one sunday,or whenever and take it to the church and let them hear just how loud it is

 

I have emailed and I have called. I am not in the position to miss work to go up there and talk to them. They should respond to phone calls and emails...what do I have to do hold their hands and instruct them on decency??? No ! they are perfectly capable of responding if they wish.

 

Why should he? The church should reach out to their neighbors (who were probably there first, BTW) and address any concerns before they build. After all, isn't that the Christian and neighborly thing to do?

If they want to run the place like a business then they should act like it. If they want to run it as a church then they should act like it. Hmmmm, practice what we preach....?

 

raleigh cops actually use decibel meters to determine noise pollution. anyone remember the club just off old wake forest rd behind where the switch used to be and the music loft? the one that is now an ice skating rink, i think (used to be sportsworld skating rink when i was a kid)...anyway, when it was a club, all the people in the nearest neighborhood were constantly complaining about the thumping and the music. the cops would actually go stand in the street in the neighborhood with a decibel meter to determine if they were in violation of the noise ordinance. they determined there was a problem, and the club owner had to spend 75,000 dollars insulating...

i don't know if joco sherriff would do that or not, but if the church doesn't respond, enough complaints from the surrounding area might get them to investigate....

 

This is under the assumption that 1) there is someone there to talk to. 2) that pepps has the time or is in a position to where she can go talk to them.

I know that alot of the people in the 4042 area work in Raleigh and have 8-5 jobs. If the church is staffed as a business (which it sounds like it being run as one) then more than likely they are there from 8-5 as well with the possible exception of when they have night time services. And personally when a church is getting ready to have a service is not the time I'd want to be talking to them concerning the noise, as it may put them on the defense or provoke them to be even louder.

Obviously from the lack of a response to either the e-mails or phone messages the church is 1) not staffed on a regular basis 2) could care less what people who are not members of their congregation think because they are not feeding the coffers 3) really couldn't give a crap about who they offend.

Either way it's not a facility I get a warm fuzzy feeling about.


Craig

 

So, are we getting close to a record with this thread? Length / number of posts?

 

You mean not counting Jennifer's random thoughts?

 

Man, you just took me back about 20 years . . . 8)

 

yes, other than that. This one seems to keep on going.

 

Yup, business is business. And yes, they should respond. BUT!!! If they don't, as other types of businesss don't, then people usually show up. I know they do where I work!!! Just because they are a church makes no difference. If you feel they should be business like, treat them business like.

We have 2 complaints about churches these days. Either they are not "Christian or Neighborly" enough and don't seem to care, or they are to "Christian and Neighborly" and seem to be "pushy". So...as in all things, no one is ever completely satisfied. And as sad as it may seem, the "church", as a body of believers and not a building, will always be under fire for something.

I sincerely apologize if that offends or makes anyone angry or but it's the truth.

But I must ask, if they were building an amusement park or a hospital or a department store, would the same feelings be there? After all, a building IS a building.

 

I believe pepps has already answered the question that she would still have the same concerns no matter what was going on, due to the outstanding noise level generated. Be it church, shopping center, amusment park, or bar.


Craig

 

I'd be irritated if ANYONE started beating and banging before 7:00 am, what about people who might work a night shift or have small children? It's just inconsiderate, as I see it, it's got less than nothing to do with the fact that it's a church. The OP has already stated she can't go in person, so why keep beating that dead horse? Gee, I thought that's what phones and emails were for. There is NO GOOD REASON they can't respond to her the same way she's contacted them. I've worked in a large church office FYI! For a short period of time, and not for that one, but they answered phone calls and emails daily just the same.

 

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