And where do you suppose that personal belief came from? I would guess that it came from the "disproportionate number of black youths in the criminal justice system." Seems to me that Mr. Blair's statements are supported by facts. It's nice to see someone in authority speak to facts, rather than emotion. Making excuses and pointing the finger at everyone except for the perpetrators of th behavior does nothing to address the problem.
Facts rather than emotion? The disproportionate number of blacks in the lowere economic strata, as stated in the article, would have no connection to that situation. His statement is not supported by the others more closely involved in the issue, but you agree with it so it "must" be factual? Bigots can be elected into leadership positions, just look at Geramny in the 1930s for an example.
Of course I would, the question is why you would not? If I play music too loudly for your comfort but not loudly enough to be illegal, for example. It is legal to sneeze too, but if someone sneezes on me I would at least expact an apology. In both these cases the action would be wrong but not illegal. In the case of slavery it too was wrong but not illegal, but it was a lot more serious.
The reasonable person test. Most reasonable people would think that causing someone discomfort would be wrong just as would inflicting bodily fluids upon them.
No, I answered the question but it appears you just did not like it. the determination is based not a singular personal belief, but the general belief of the societal group.
I wonder if the brave Benson Firefighters who busted their buts to reach & douse a fire in 8 minutes 16 seconds only to be accused of racism and called ugly names by a bystander will recieve an apology? There are firefighters of every race out there doing what they can to keep us all safe. I can't imagine how offended these firefighters were by Ms. Alfords unfounded, misinformed comments and accusations. She should be ashamed of herself. Hopefully Phyllis and her foul mouthed neighbor didn't get much support from their community. http://www.1270wmpm.com/wmpm_local_news.htm Commissioner, Firefighter Denies Claims Of Slow Response To Fire In Minority Neighborhood - A Benson woman has questioned the response time of the Benson Fire Department to a house fire in her neighborhood. Town Commissioner Will Chandler, a 32-year veteran of the fire department, said race has never played an issue in crews responding to fire calls. Phyllis Alford appeared before the Benson Town Council this week saying she had heard it took firemen 30 minutes to arrive at a house fire on East King Circle and when they arrived, they found a broken fire hydrant out front. Chandler said fire departments are heavily regulated and when they are dispatched by the Johnston County 911 Center, they only receive the address and whether the structure is occupied. “When we get a page and we’re busting our butts, it does not say white, black, etc.” Commissioner Chandler told Alford. Chandler went on to say firefighters were being called “white MF’s” by a bystander as they attempted to douse the flames, which were already showing when they arrived. Johnston County 911 Director Jason Barbour told WMPM the response time to the March 20 call by Benson firefighters was 8 minutes and 16 seconds. The department’s average response time to every call they answered in 2006 was 8 minutes and 19 seconds. Town officials heard concerns about a broken fire hydrant following the house fire, but utility officials found the hydrant to be working properly. Fire hydrants are tested twice each year in Benson, Chandler told Alford. Mayor Jerry McLamb said Benson had one of the best fire departments in the nation.
No, no you didn't. As usual, you bounced all around it by giving inadequate examples, but I know it's not really your style to answer anyway . So, if the belief of a group differs from your group, who's group is correct? How do you determine which groups beliefs are correct?
What was inadequate about the answers? Since you did not mention any inadequacy, I could not expand farther. Are you speaking of sub-groups, different cultural groups, or what? A society determines what is and is not the correct belief for that society. That was the basis for my position. There are sub-groups within a society that can modifiy the beliefs but that is not being presented here. For example, our society believes it is acceptable to use technology to improve our lives and lessen our work burden. The Amish, which is a sub-group of our society disagree with that belief. If one is speaking of the Amish only there would be one position. If one is speaking of the Amish and their immediate neighbors the position moves to a less clearly decided split. If one is speaking of the society as a whole the position moves clearly to the opposite scale. If you wish to debate the determination of what is and is not "wrong" it would be better to not interject it into a discussion on whether an apology is appropriate for an action which is not specifically illegal. Especially when the main subject of discussion was an action which changed from being legal and veiwed as wrong by a large portion of the population and the majority of the rest of the world to being illegal and wrong by the majority of the population and the world.
Actually, I'm sure they did... claimin' racisim to get that big ole fat check in a suit... I would have either A) turned the hose on the hecklers, or B) packed things up and left. But then, my patience for this victim crap has run out.
My husband is a volunteer fireman and the dispatcher's statement is absolutely true . . . when a page comes out it only tells the address and what the emergency is (car accident, fire, suspicious odor, etc.). You have to remember that these are VOLUNTEERS and they get to the station to answer a call as quickly as they possibly can, even if it's 3am. They are NOT allowed to speed or run red lights, etc. They must obey all traffic laws. To think that any fire dept. would purposely take their time getting to a call is just ridiculous. It takes a special kind of person to be a fire fighter, policeman, and EMT. They are in the business to HELP people, not stand by and watch their houses burn down. I guess the only thing to be said about the bystanders that were spewing the racial remarks is this . . . .you can't fix stupid.
At the time, society had the belief that slavery was acceptable. Did they not? Did you not steer it that way? I have been taking the stance on it being legal and accepted at the time and you have been focusing on it becoming illegal and subsequently unaccepted.
At which time? The society was divided for quite some time before it was officially made illegal in the US. No, since the being illegal and unacceptable has been the case for the last 100+ years and that period is when such an apology would be made, why would we discuss the earlier period in this thread and in relation to an apology?
Maybe you should read some history books and haow laws reflect the mores of the society as you seem to be confused. The fact is that slavery became unacceptable, which is the reason for the proposal of the legislation, before it became illegal.
