Ormly, I will not pick apart the things that you have said and critique them like you do. I will simply say that you are condescending in everything you say, "Child" Not love, not mercy, not forgiveness, not rightly judging. So, you haven't answered my questions in my post... I'm waiting Ormly...
Keep waiting Pastor G. You will get no answers from the Troll. It has yet to give an answer to anything.....only to condem everyone on here. Other than that...dont feed em!
You mean you won't or you can't? I have it to be the latter. Where have I not been loving to anyone? Where is mercy needed that I showed none to anyone? Where is the need for forgiveness that I might give it to anyone? And where have I judged your "Cotton Candy" assembly wrongly? ....I ask all that in love, forgiveness, mercy and rightly judging as it is presented me. Did I leave anything out? if so. then I would I ask you to forgive me. Now, while you are waiting how about answering some of my questions you have skirted? My response will be posted. Keep checkin in.
Ormly, how do you respond to these statements of faith? The Holy Scriptures We believe the Scriptures -- both the Old and New Testaments -- to be the verbally inspired Word of God, written by men in God's control, inerrant and infallible, in the whole and in the part, in all areas (including creation, science, geography, chronology, history, and in all other matters in which it speaks), in the original manuscripts, and the complete 1 1and final authority in faith and life. We accept the grammatical-historical-literal system of interpretation2 of the Scriptures, and accept the historical record of the Bible as accurate and adequate3 (1 Thes. 2:13; 2 Tim. 3:15-17; 2 Pe. 1:20,21; Psa. 19:7-9; Rev. 22:18-19). Creation We believe in the Biblical account of the creation of the universe in six literal, solar days; that God created by His Word the heavens, the earth, and all their hosts, without pre-existing materials; that man was created by a direct act of God; that all humans were present in Adam when he was created; that new individuals (in all their parts) come into existence today, not by a continuing creation, but through the laws of propagation established by God; that each individual is a living person from the moment of conception; that all forms of evolutionary hypotheses4 are serious errors which strike at the very person and glory of God (Gen. 1:1-31; 2:7; 5:3; Exo. 20:11; Heb. 11:13; Psa. 139:13-16; Lk. 1:41,44; Jn. 1:3; Rom. 5:12-24; 1 Cor. 15:22; Col. 1:15-19; Heb. 11:3). The Godhead We believe in one God, eternally existing in three persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- who are identical in essence,5 equal6 in power and glory, and possess precisely the same attributes and perfection (Deut. 6:4; Matt. 28:19; Lk. 3:22; 2 Cor. 13:14). The Condition of Man We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, in innocence and without sin.7 But in Adam's sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, became spiritually dead8 and alienated from God so that man is a sinner by both nature and imputation, thereby justly condemned to eternal damnation without defense or excuse, and man, of himself, is incapable of remedying his lost and depraved9 condition by any means whatsoever (Gen. 1:26; 3:1-24; Jn. 6:44,65; Rom. 3:10-18; 5:12,19; Eph. 2:1-3). The Person and Work of Christ We believe that God demands a life of perfect obedience to His law; i.e., complete and total righteousness. Thus, God the Son had to become man in order to provide for us what God the Father's holy nature (and self-consistency) demanded -- perfect righteousness. Thus, the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man without ceasing to be God; having been conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful man. He accomplished this redemption by voluntarily giving Himself as a sinless substitutionary sacrifice on the cross, thereby satisfying God's righteous judgment against sin. He gave proof that He accomplished that redemption by His bodily resurrection10 from the grave. He then ascended to the right hand of His Father where He intercedes on behalf of those who have believed on Him (Jn. 1:1,2,14,18; Lk. 1:34,35; 24:36-43; Rom. 2:12,13; 3:24-26; 8:34; Heb. 4:14-16; 2 Cor. 5:21). The Person and Work of the Holy Spirit We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Divine Person who convicts the world of sin; that He alone brings new life11 to those who are spiritually dead; that He baptizes12 (or places) all believers into the one true Church, which is the Body of Christ; that He indwells them permanently, seals them unto the day of redemption, bestows spiritual gifts upon them, and fills (controls) those who are yielding to Him to empower for Christian life and service (Jn. 3:3-8; 16:7-11; Acts 5:3,4; Eph. 4:5; 1 Cor. 12:13; Rom. 8:9; Jn. 14:16,17; Eph. 4:30; 1 Cor. 12:7-11; 1 Pe. 4:10; Eph. 3:16; 5:18; Gal. 5:22,23). Satan and the Fallen Angels We believe that God created an innumerable company of spiritual beings, known as angels; that one, Lucifer, the highest in rank, sinned through pride, and thereby became Satan; that a great company of the angels followed him in his moral fall; that some became demons and are active as his agents and associates in the prosecution of his unholy purposes; and that others who fell are "reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day" (Rev. 12:1-10; 2 Pe. 2:4; Jude 1:6). We believe that Satan is the author of sin and, under the permission of God, was the deceiver of Eve in the Fall; that he is the open and declared enemy of God and man; and that he shall be eternally punished in the Lake of Fire (Job 1:6-7; Isa. 14:12-17; Ezek. 28:11-19; Matt. 4:2-11; Jn. 12:31; Rev. 20:10). In his warfare, he appears as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:13-15), counterfeiting the works of God by fostering religious movements and systems of doctrine (1 Tim. 4:1-3), and that these doctrines in every case are characterized by a denial of the efficacy of the atoning sacrifice of Christ and of salvation by grace alone. Salvation We believe that salvation is the gift13 of God's grace given to all who believe on the Son (i.e., to all whom God has sovereignly and unconditionally elected to salvation) (Eph. 1:4; 2 Thes. 2:13; Rom. 9:11-13; 11:4-6). It includes all that God does in saving the elect from the penalty, power, and presence of sin, and in restoring them to a right relationship with God.14 As such, it is solely the work of God from initiation to completion. It cannot be gained by good works,15 but is a free gift for all whom God has enabled to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross. All who so put their faith in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord have been forgiven16 and saved from their sins and declared righteous before God, and have been born into the family of God by the regenerating17 work of the Holy Spirit. God's purpose for saving His elect is so that they bring glory to Him by their lives (Rom. 1:16; 10:17; Acts 16:14b; Eph. 1:7; 2:8,9; Jn. 1:12,13; Rom. 9:16; 2 Cor. 5:21; Phil. 1:6; Titus 2:11-14; 3:5-7; 1 Pe. 1:18- 19; Jn. 5:40; 6:44; 3:36; 5:24; 1 Jn. 5:1). Security, Assurance, and Human Responsibility We believe that all the saved -- those in whom God has accomplished His transforming work of grace -- are kept18 by His power, and thus, are secure19 in Christ forever. This assurance, however, is not the occasion for sin, for God in holiness cannot tolerate willful and/or persistent sin in His children, and in infinite love He corrects them. True faith in Christ is always expressed by a fruitful, God-pleasing life20 (Jn. 10:27-29; Rom. 8:29-39; 1 Jn. 5:13; Heb. 12:6; Matt. 7:20; Js. 2:20). Sanctification We believe that God, in the Scriptures, has given us everything pertaining to life and godliness. This includes the salvation from the penalty of sin, and just as surely, the provision of sanctification (separation) from sin. Sanctification from sin affects both the positional and practical aspects. Positional sanctification (i.e., justification) as a work of the Holy Spirit is complete and is without further growth; however, practical sanctification(i.e., progressive sanctification), a result of the work of the Spirit in regeneration using the Word of God, provides the nourishment21 for growth in maturity in Christ. While practical sanctification is assured by the Word and the Spirit, it is yet imperfect22 in this life. There is some element of corruption in every part of the fallen nature which is the source for the war between the flesh and the spirit. The maturing to obedience is possible for believers as they feed on the Word, submit to the Spirit of God, and are in fellowship23 with other believers for service and accountability (Jn. 17:17; 1 Cor. 1:30; Rom. 6:19,22; Heb. 10:25; 1 Pe. 2:2; 2 Pe. 1:3). The Church We believe that the true Church, called in Scripture the Body of Christ,24 is a spiritual organism.25 Every person who has trusted Jesus Christ for salvation26 in this present age has been baptized (placed) into this organism by the Holy Spirit. The local church,27 as established in Scripture, is made up of redeemed individuals who have joined together for worship, instruction,28 fellowship,29 and service (Eph. 1:22,23; 5:25-32; 1 Cor. 12:12,13; Acts 2:42; 13:1,2), exhibiting the true love30 of God to each other. The Christian Life We believe that a Christian should desire to live a life of righteousness, good works, and separation unto God from the evil ways of the world (Rom. 12:1,2), manifested by speaking the truth (Js. 5:12), maintaining the sanctity of the home (Eph. 5:22-6:4), settling differences between Christians in accordance with the Word of God (1 Cor. 6:1-8 ), not engaging in carnal strife but showing a Christ-like attitude toward all men (Rom. 12:17-21), exhibiting the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22,23), and maintaining a life of prayer (Eph. 6:18; Phil. 4:6). Giving We believe that believers are to be generous in their giving,31 and that all giving should preferably be done in secret according to the Lord's command (Matt. 6:1-4). Thus, the giving of cash or by other means that preserve the privacy of the giver is encouraged. Missions/Evangelism We believe that it is the obligation of the saved to witness by life and by word to the truths of Holy Scripture and to seek to proclaim the Gospel to all mankind (Mk. 16:15; Acts 1:8; 2 Cor. 5:19,20). We also believe that the sending of missionaries is a local church function (just as it is the responsibility of the local church to conduct church discipline and believer's baptism) and, thereby, cannot be delegated to a mission board or agency. The Ministry and Spiritual Gifts We believe that God is sovereign in the bestowment of all His gifts; and, that the gifts of evangelists, pastors, and teachers are sufficient for the perfecting of the saints today; and, that speaking in tongues and the working of sign miracles gradually ceased as the New Testament Scriptures were completed and their authority became established (1 Cor. 12:4-11; 2 Cor. 12:12; Eph. 4:7-12). Movements Contrary to the Faith We are opposed to all forms of theological compromise, apostasy, liberalism, modernism, ecumenical evangelism,32 neo-orthodoxy,33 neo-evangelicalism,34 and the charismatic and ecumenical movements of our day. We believe that all are out of harmony with the Word of God and the official doctrine and position of Biblical Discernment Ministries, and are inimical to the Word of God. Separation Since we believe that evil, false doctrine, and spiritual compromise are all contagious, we thereby believe that the only way the purity, peace, and reputation of the church can be maintained is by separation -- both personal and ecclesiastical. Christians are to be in the world, but not of it, having no friendship, affiliation, nor identification with it35 (personal separation). Likewise, Christians should not attempt to "Christianize"36 the world's principles and practices and bring them into the Church as part of Christian worship, fellowship, prayer, preaching, or communion. We also believe in the separation37 from detractors of orthodox doctrine; unbiblical ecclesiastical practices (i.e., neo-evangelicalism, ecumenism, ecclesiastical apostasy, modernism/liberalism, and the charismatic movement), immoral unrepentant "believers," and the state [primary separation]. Moreover, we believe that Christians are commanded by Scripture to withdraw from professing brethren who enter into memberships, affiliations, and fellowships (including evangelistic crusades, youth movements, mission agencies, schools, etc.) which seek to unite separatist fundamentalists with those who do not obey the Biblical teachings on separation (i.e., with those who refuse to obey the Biblical doctrine of separation) [secondary separation] (1 Cor. 5:11; Acts 2:42; Hag. 2:11-13; Amos 3:3; 2 Chron. 19:2; Psa. 1:1; 1 Tim. 6:3-5; 2 Tim. 2:20,21; Js. 1:27; 4:4; Jn. 17:15,16; 1 Jn. 2:15-17; 2 Cor. 6:14,17-7:1; 1 Cor. 10:18-21; Gal. 1:8,9; Rom. 16:17; Titus 3:10; Matt. 18:17; 2 Tim. 3:1,2,5; 1 Cor. 15:33; Eph. 5:11; Rev. 18:4; 2 Thes. 3:6,14,15; 2 Jn. 10,11). Fraternal Organizations We are firmly opposed to all societies, lodges, and organizations of an un-Christian or anti-Christian character.38 We avoid membership or participation in any organization that in its objectives, ceremonies, or practices is inimical to the Gospel of Jesus Christ or the faith and life of the Christian church. Attitude Toward Civil Government We believe that civil government is ordained of God for the welfare of human society to promote and protect the good and to restrain and punish evil. Therefore, we consider it the duty of Christians to pray for rulers and for those that are in authority over them and to give due respect to them. However, where the demands of civil law would militate against the supreme law and will of God, Christians should obey God rather than man39 (Dan. 4:17; Matt. 22:17-21; Acts 4:19, 5:29; Rom. 13:1-7; 1 Tim 2:1-4; Acts 23:5; Titus 3:1; 1 Pe. 2:13,14). Ordinances We believe that our Lord Jesus Christ instituted two ordinances to be observed by all believers until His return -- water baptism (by immersion) to show forth our identification with the crucified, buried, and risen Savior (Matt. 28:19; Rom. 6:3-5; Col. 2:12) and the Lord's Supper as the commemoration of His death until He comes (1 Cor. 11:23-26). Biblical Dispensations We believe that the dispensations are divinely ordered stewardships, or rules of life (not ways of salvation), by which God administers His purpose on Earth through man under varying responsibilities in successive ages. Each dispensation begins with man being divinely placed in a new position of privilege and responsibility, and each closes with a failure of man resulting in righteous judgment from God. Three of these dispensations, or rules of life, are the subject of extended revelation in Scripture. They are the dispensation of the Mosaic Law, the present dispensation of Grace (the Church age), and the future dispensation of the Millennial Kingdom. They are distinct and are not to be intermingled or confused, as they are chronologically successive. Thereby, Covenant Theology as found in Reformed Theology is unscriptural (Jn. 1:17; 1 Cor. 9:17; 2 Cor. 3:9-18; Gal. 3:13-25; Eph. 1:10; Col. 1:24,25; Heb. 7:19; Rev. 20.:2-6). The Second Coming of Christ We believe in the imminent, personal, pre-tribulational coming of the Lord Jesus Christ for His Church and His subsequent premillennial40 return to earth with His saints to establish His Millennial Kingdom upon the earth (1 Thes. 1:10; 4:13-18; Rev. 3:10; Zech. 14:4-11; Rev. 19:11- 16; 20:1-6). The Eternal State We believe that at death the souls of those who have trusted Christ for salvation pass immediately into His presence and remain there in conscious bliss until the resurrection of the body at Christ's coming for the Church, when soul and body will be reunited.41 We then shall be with Him forever in glory. We also believe that at death the souls of unbelievers remain in conscious misery until the final judgment of the Great White Throne at the close of the Millennium when the soul and body will be reunited and cast into the lake of fire -- not to be annihilated, but to be separated from God forever in conscious punishment42 (Lk. 16:19-26; 2 Cor. 5:8; Phil. 1:21-23; Jn. 5:28-29; 2 Thes. 1:7-9; Matt. 25:46; Rev. 20:11-15).
Amazing. After all this time, you still think you are going to get answers. The Internet Troll Personality Disorder is characterized by attention-seeking and disruptive behavior in anonymous, delocalized places of socializing. It is indicated by the following traits: 1. A tendency to make provocative comments to invoke emotional responses in others 2. A lack of connection to the community being trolled; i.e., will leave if desired response is not invoked ("Do not feed the trolls!") 3. A dissatisfaction with one's life and a cynical attitude towards things in general 4. A tendency to challenge the rules and authorities of a community 5. A preference to exhibit these behaviors only in places where one's true identity is unknown It's just typical troll behavior to refuse to take a position while repeatedly demanding that everyone else substantiate theirs.
Its a social experiment. Its been pointed out that this person is a troll, has no intention of engaging in any kind of give and take conversation, will only condem your points of view while failing to see any error in their view and you know this. You know you will never get what you want from this troll because that is not their job here. And yet you still persist. And its driving you crazy that you are not getting what you want because you keep asking. See...thats what i dont understand...why do you keep at it when you know you wont get what you are looking for. All of this, to be in my next book.
It's fun?? I don't know, it's kind of like looking at car wrecks. You know you shouldn't, but you do it anyway. :? :mrgreen:
Ormly, I have answered all your questions without getting in the mud with you. I can spend hours picking your doctrine apart and trying to show you the error of you ways, but to what avail? You are bent on your ways, to the point of danger. How can you call my church "cotton candy" after what I have told you? We are not a church you are familar with, we are not C3 that you are bashing... I stand for the holiness and righteousness you preach. I respect and honor God and teach others to do the same. I adhere the the whole word of God, and yet you want to pick a fight just to pick a fight. Ormly, talking with you is like watching a train wreck; you know you shouldn't but it's so hard to look away. It hurts me to see people like you cause unbelievers to get the wrong view of what a Christian really is. Pastor G
If you take your car to Freds Oil Change and when they service your car, they neglect to refill it with oil. So you give them the benifit of the doubt and go there next time. Again, they neglect to put oil back in. So you figure that surely it could not happen 3 times. So you go back...again and again and again. So now its 10 times and no oil. You have had to replace the engine 10 times now but you are so convinced that THIS time they will get it right. So now you have replaced your engine 11 times. Your best friend in the world tells you that Freds Oil Change never ever fills your engine back up with oil, everyone knows that. So after you replace your engine for a 14th time, someone else tells you the same thing about Freds. You decide to give them one more chance. See what im getting at?
Isn't that a description of some mental disorder? Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result? :mrgreen::lol::lol:
It's called insanity. I preached about that on Sunday. I said we are committing spiritual insanity if we keep on doing the same thing and expect our life to get better. We need to change! And stop the INSANITY! Pastor G
