OK; Where will new HS be ??

the bond passed. it's supposed to pay for another HS in the "Cleveland" community.
Any rumors on a location? I heard the area behind the old drug store. This is like behind the Central Carolina pre-owned car lot.

 

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The last I heard from Dr. Parker is that they are still in the process of finding land to put it on.....we are running out of land out here....so YES there will be a new HS out here....no one knows where yet!

 

would have plenty of room but all these damn little subdivisions are popping up everywhere. with 200k houses. how about widening 1010 before we add 100 more new houses.

 

I thought the high school would be near the new elementary school (West View). Has anyone noticed that there is a left turn lane and arrow, coming from 42? The turn lane doesn't look like it goes into the houses that are across from the school. There are people still living there and there are not that many people who live there that would justify having a turn lane.

 

I know the people that live there. It is a justifiable turn lane. Can you imagine trying to turn out of there in the morning? One of the families has a disabled person as well and they are all older. Also, considering the mess they had to make of their driveway and yard during the construction process, they deserve the run lane. I don't know that it has inconvenienced anyone anyway. I've never been through there that I had to stop for that side to come out. Only from the school side.

 

I meant no offense to the people who live there. I just wondered why the turn lane was there. Please accept my apologies.

 

No offense taken...only validating.

 

I also heard Dr. Parker say that the Cleveland area is the most difficult in finding land for the HS. They need at least 99 acres to build and the cost of land in this part of the County is a lot more expensive than others.

I have a feeling as dissatified Wake Residents begin moving to JC, we'll be faced with their issues earlier than expected. Schools are already getting phone calls from Wake County residents interested in determing what school their children would attend if they bought a new home here.

 

Acreage for school issue...

My question is: Why do they make one story schools. If they made two story schools, there wouldn't be so many schools built and it would ave the county money. If I was commisioner of the board of ed, every elementary would be 2-3 stories and I would put K & 1 on the first floor, 2 & 3 on the second and 4 and 5th grade on the top floors.

I would also commission each school to end at different times so that the same buses are used for each school so while one school would start at maybe 7 the next would be at 7:45 and the next 8:30 (within a certain district) so the bus drivers would have time to finish one route in one chool and start another route in another school. This would alos mean that there would be PROFESSIONAL bus drivers hired that would drive and only drive. I am not referring to all of you teachers and associates that are put on the road after school ends but some of the drivers driving these buses were meant to teach or work in a chool and should not be behind the wheel. Some of the drivers I have seen scare me because they are just not cut out for driving.

Hiring bus drivers that drive and only drive - maybe distributing mail between morning and afternoon or what have you - would ensure less accidents and better service in my opinion. Teachers that have been working all day and then told they have to drive a bus after school are tired and irritated at the end of the day - I don't think it is fair that assistants and teachers are told they have to drive a bus to keep their job - so I hear from a few teachers and assistants themselves. I understand a lot of them don't want to but HAVE to.

Anyway, bigger schools mean less schools built...is that not correct?

 

I imagine the single vs. multiple floor issue is costs. A big driver of the costs would be the Americans with Disability Act.

 

I can agree but...

what about an elevator for the disabled. A small elevator only for the disabled would help, i think...no?

 

It sure would but I imagine the maintenance and liability cost would have to come into the consideration. Also you would probably need to consider two elevators (to the best of my knowledge not a requirement) for when the other one is out of order.

 

I don't think the maintenance cost of an elevator is all that great. I think the issue is the ability to get the kids out of the building in case of an emergency.

 

Good point!

 

Cafeteria & Gym space

if you build bigger schools, you have problems with common rooms like Cafeteria (Cafetorium:mrgreen: ) and Gym. I remember when my youngest was at CE a few years ago their were kids eating lunch at 10:00 because they had so many trailers. more classrooms alone would not be the answer.
As far as a location for the new high school, if history has anything to do with it around here they will put the new school just a mile down the road from the old school

 

In the commercial world, building second/third story buildings makes for higher expense of the building, not so in building homes. There is so much more to deal with, disability act makes for a whole group of other issues/requirements driving up the cost, elevators etc., not to mention the safety issues in second/third story buildings when you have a fire or tornado, harder to evacuate these buildings. Although, the high schools in our area have second stories.

 

Gee the old cleveland school was more then one story. Or did everyone forget that!!??
Emilie has a good point..why do we need all these huge spead out schools - we could just make two floors with all the schools. The high school already is two story. I think it would be ok to have multi floored schools. You already have them in a thousand communites elsewhere, the elevator costs are not all that and the disability act is met.

as far as the bus dirver thing goes - well finally a voice of reason. Start the school at different staggered times. one bus, different runs to different schools at different times. You start with the high schoolers, the middle, then the elementary kids. so that means all the kids are in school by what 8:30 or so. Yes it wouuld take some interesting logistic from a professional outside bus company, but it is very doable. REverse everything for the way home.
And then run a few afterschool late buses for the average kid who can't do anything after school because his mother and father both work and he does't have the priviledge of a stay at home parent to pick him up. Hey.. maybe more kids could get involved in stuff at school and help decrease the drop out rate....
Now what you have is a full time bus driver who has a morning run, and afternoon run and a few of them have late runs at about 4 or 4:30...During the summer they collect unemployment.

 

There is a 2 (Maybe 3) story NEW school in Wake Co. off Old Garner Rd, maybe it's on Jones Sausage Rd. Sorry, I cannot remember the name of the school. It has been under construction this past year or so. It looks like a great site plan (Land Use plan) that did not need 99+ acres.
Maybe JoCo Schol Board needs to look at that.

- K

Side Bar:
Please do not put another school on CSR or Raleigh Road!

 

There is also a multi story school being built in Holly Springs off Avent Ferry Rd.

Elevators that go 1 floor (1st to 2nd) cost about $50,000 each. You would need 2 per school to meet code (i think). That is an added $100,000 per school. Which is not that big % when you are looking at a $10,000,000 elementray school. But to go multi story, footings costs are increased, steel costs are incresed, CMU block costs are increased more than if you spread the bldg out. There is a breaking point where the costs of the land is cheaper then going up and the other way around. That is why in town the land is so high, it is cheaper overall to go up, but in the country it is still cheaper to spread out.

I think we have a pretty good school board who is watching the money. I see several things that really help. The same basic floor plan for elem /middle /and high school respectfully. This saves on design costs. I know a while back they (N&O) were comparing 2 elem. school being built at the same time. One was Dixon Rd the other in Wake County, and we were a lot more cost effective. And it was not in the land cost that we saved either. It was the useless frills that Wake thows in that drives the costs up, plus design fees being less here in Johnston.

 

Multi story allows you to expand after intitial construction without purchasing more land and as we know land is at a premium here now.