Someone explain this to me...

With a record-setting number of illegals in this country, how can there be a labor shortage?

I don't understand this statement: Enforcement raids have increased the cost to immigrants of sneaking over the border and discouraged many from coming.

We know the problem isn't a lack of illegal immigrants coming across the border to do the work. Anyone who tries to say that is assuming that everyone in this nation is stupid.

This article proves what we've been saying all along. These illegals aren't "helping" our country by working the jobs that Americans won't work. No sirree. Of course, the author of this article apparently also thinks we are stupid, because he doesn't touch on this obvious fact.

The problem is that the illegal aliens who are coming across the border are no longer coming for the low-paying wages of agricultural work that "no American will do". Instead, illegals are coming across the border to take the jobs Americans are willing to do (only for a lower rate than the Americans), such as construction and landscaping, at the higher than agriculture pay rates, pushing out Americans who used to work those jobs. That's why they they are no longer showing up for the agricultural jobs.

The writer of this article is being disengenuous. The problem is not that there isn't enough legal ways for workers to get here to do the agri jobs, or that they are afraid to come here illegally to do the agri jobs.

The problem is that they are pushing out Americans from good jobs that used to be worked by Americans...and why work a low-paying agri job when you can take a good job from an American citizen.

 

Exactly. Amazing how air conditioning changes the brain, huh?



I happen to know of a local business owner who employs illegals and pays under the table but what do I do with this information? :?

 

Maybe, but there is the thing called geography that comes into play. Do you have any accurate figures on the available worker population here and not just within the US?

It would appear to be saying there are fewer illegal and possibly legal immigrant workers in the area.

No, they are assuming the readers will understand workers in Texas, California or anywhere else will not help the farmers harvest here.

Of course you only have your belief and assumptions to draw upon, which combined with a $1.50 will get you a large drink at a fast food place.

Or he does not have the factual support to make such a claim, while you can assume anything you wish.

You mean there are jobs no American will do? Given there is a jobless rate and there are jobs available according to this article, it appears to be the case.

Or as the article states, fewer are coming here for the reasons stated.

Because you have the proof to refute the claims, perhaps? I believe I am still due "proofs" on other issues from you as well.

 

"During the 1990s, North Carolina had the fastest growing Hispanic population of any state in the nation, growing from 76,726 in 1990 to 378,963 in 2000. That’s an increase of 393 percent. Four years later, the U.S. Census Bureau estimated the Hispanic population at 517,617.

Illegal immigration, primarily from Mexico, is responsible for the majority of that growth. The Washington D.C.-based Pew Hispanic Center has estimated that 300,000 people — roughly 65 percent of North Carolina’s Latino population — are illegal immigrants, based on the Census Bureau’s latest population estimates. No major Hispanic advocacy group has disputed Pew’s calculations."
http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=2983

Which is quite full of bologna, which is the point of my post.

Read the facts, Wayne...and stop arguing just to argue. It's not attractive.

Prove it...as I've proven otherwise.

I have proven it Wayne. I know you libs like to cover your ears and sing "La...la...la"...but facts are facts.

And what other proofs are you referring to?

 

You can "prove" almost anything with anecdotal evidence.

 

You call the Census bureau figures "anecdotal evidence"?!?!?!

 

"labor shortage" can be translated to too low wages and lack of benefits. An employer could find plenty of workers if they wanted to pay for it. But why do back breaking work when you can take orders at McD's in a/c for the same compensation? There's no shortage of jobs that pay crap and have no benefits. There is a shortage of decent pay and benefits. But that's ok, we don't need to eat produce. We can just turn on the tube and watch sports stars and actors, who make billions btw, and forget about the hunger pangs.

 

The number of illegals did not come from the census bureau, that's Rick Martinez & John Hood's spin on a Pew Foundation study.

 

One writer makes a claim you dislike so that information is "bogus" while another writer makes a claim you do like but it is "factual"? Where is the references from the Census Bureau? I see there data for 1990 estimates at 26,000 and 2000 at 206,000, but I see nothing after that point. This article was for this year correct? That is after the crackdowns mentioned?

In your opinion, but I was just explaining the article as you asked in the title of this thread.

I have read the facts, and the article. I do not have the research the author used nor do I have reason to believe he is trying to mislead anyone as you seem to want to do. I see you have no facts to support your beliefs outside of assumptions and older assumptions by others.

No, you have not. Where is your CURRENT data? Not an assumption based on an estimate from at least three years ago.

No, proof consists of facts or at least estimates from unbiased sources with some review process. You have provided neither.

Those "proofs" you assured me were following in the Global Warming thread. I am sure you are working on them just as Cliff is working on the data on the volcanic emissions of GHGs he referenced.

 

No, it was what the writer didn't divulge that I disliked. He omitted important information. And I wasn't basing what I posted on "another writer". I based it on US Census figures and figures from the Pew Hispanic Center.

You do know there are no Census figures available for later than 2000, don't you?

The research is easy enough to do, and the information easy enough to find...with a little effort Wayne.

 

Odd, it seemed that you disputed the context of the article repeatedly.

As in what information he had which should have been included?

No, you could not have based it on the US Census figures as there were none listed, but there WAS the mention of an estimate by the author of the article you quoted.

Yet you claim you were basing your statement on those figures? How much of a change would there be in seven years?

I found lots of it, but none to support your claims. I believe it is customary for the person making the claim to actually do that research and provide it as part of the discussion process. I know how you like to have exemptions from the rules, but this one should be followed, IMO. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Copying and pasting from Carolina Journal hardly counts as "research." Those people do have an agenda, you know. John Hood, the John Locke Foundation, and the rest of the Art Pope puppetshow can be counted on to use whatever parts of a study support their agenda, and ignore the rest.

Not exactly the same as saying it's undisputed.

 

Nor saying it is true either ....

 

hmmmm.....If you need workers perhaps they should pay more money....

 

Some of ya'll just need a group hug.

 

I imagine they would, but there still has to be enough left for a profit or there is no need to have any employees.

 

When the price of groceries goes up enough to pay legal residents enough to do the job, some people might think again about the wisdom of some kind of guest worker program.

 

Perhaps if we get rid of welfare then maybe we can get some of the dead beats working again.

 

HAHA, KDsGrandma does that also. If it makes them feel wanted then what the heck, let'em.

 

Guest Worker Program???? Typical American ingenuity. Take the short cut to resolution while ignoring the future effects. They may start here in the fields, but they eventually migrate to the job that pays the best. Right now that's the jobs of many good workers like myself. If you can assure me they will stay in the fields I'm all for it.

They have taken over the construction industry. There are 3 fields in the industry they haven’t taken; Heating & Air Conditioning, Electrical and Plumbing. That’s because they require some type of education and certification. But contractors are slowly getting around that to implement the cheaper labor. I have watched while the quality of homes in this area have dwindled to an all time low. Yet you people still buy this garbage.

These workers don't give a crap about the quality of your new home. The Americans trying to hold on in the industry are being treated like s__t. Eventually, this "Guest Worker Program" is going to get large enough to hit “your” job too and then the objection will become more visible. I just hope it happens to you soon so we can all come to an undestanding on the problem.

What ever happened to "Justice for All" and when did a legal citizen become the red headed step child to a wetback?