I'm Tired: A Soldiers View From The Front

A little research would also show where it happened in 1824. Andrew Jackson got more votes than John Quincey Adams, but Congress gave the election to Adams.

And in 1800, Jefferson got the most votes, but Congress had to decide the election.

 

Those who think we live in a democracy are actually poor history students.

 

Personally I prefer a Representative form of government over a Democracy any day. Unfortunately I think it has been moving to a Democracy form and the abolition of the Electoral College is one more step in that direction.

 

Ken...do you think that if M. Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, runs as an independent and refuses to accept any donations, that it will mark a change in direction????

 

Ding Ding Ding........one of these days we will have to get together. If I wasn't skeered of SS-:mrgreen: I might join you for your trip together.

 

:shock: My truck has a tank full of RedBull

 

You are sick.........................That would lead straight to armed conflict!!!!!!!!! http://www.rescue-us.org/ronpaulrevolutionhome.htm

 

I tend to disagree as only the method of determining the representative would be changing to more reflect the view of the people and not just the view of the region.

 

If they represented the view of all the people and not just the majority of the people, or those with large lobbying budgets, I probably would not worry. But some of my core beliefs are definitely in a minority and I am dependent on California and Massachusetts to make sure that my beliefs don't get stomped.

 

See this is the core to being a Republic. If NC became so unbearable that hught had to leave he could seek refuge in California or Mass. The reason to avoid the popular vote is so that one region does not become so strogn and populated that it counters other regions.

hught---On a personal note, you are more than welcome to vote Republican as I am sure those beliefs are the ones that you do not want to get stomped, right? :mrgreen:

 

Actually they are some of the beliefs that the modern Republican Party are pretty set on destroying. The old Republican Party, you might be right.

 

Given both of those states are of a larger population the actual majority vote for President would be suffcient to ensure your beliefs are supported by those states, while in the case of the 2000 election the majority view was usuperceded by the modified regional vote. The Senate and House would still be regionally elected as has been the history.

 

I would be more than happy for you to throw your vote behind the only true conservative in the race.:mrgreen:

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/

Don't know what your issues are, but I am betting that Dr. Paul may still champion some of them.

 

Are you trying to say that the 66 electoral votes that Gore won from these two states were not effective in the election due to who won? The other point of view to this logic is that the modified regional vote did not win the election. When you have broad support throughout the country compared to only three regions it would seem that the correct person was put in office.

 

No, I am saying the Electoral College was designed for a much different situaiton than we have now and it is antiquated. Holding a popular election to elect an unknown candidate to elect our President is not an efficient system and the reason for it's development has long passed.

The "broad" support of which you speak only shows where the majority of the voters supported one candidate not the total support. It is the means by which you wish to represent the vote that decides what the visual result will be. The President represents the people not the land mass and that is where the depiction becomes skewed.

 

I may have to eat my words on that. The bill passed the Senate and is in the House. So, I could be wrong. Time will tell.

 

There are endless ways to represent that data, just using red & blue. Showing it by counties looks a lot different than showing it by states. And combining the red and blue to get shades of purple, based on the proportional support for each party, looks different still. And none of that gets past the fact that we are looking at land mass instead of voters.

 

Huh???? Andrew Jackson got the most popular votes, but John Q. Adams became President. How did the popular vote win?

 

Every area of land mass is different. When we felt like that our "land mass" was not represented in England we revolted. Just because someone chooses to live in a less populated area does not mean their vote matters any less. The core values of most rural America is what has been disappearing in this country during the baby boom generation.

 

If you believe the founding fathers created this government as a democracy, then you need to do some remedial study.