Teacher Question? National Board Certification

Some math, etc. folks aren't the best writers. That doesn't mean they aren't whiz-bang awesome at teaching math.

Most kids can read, or they wouldn't pass the reading EOG's. If the kids don't pass it after 3 tries, there is something wrong with their reading ability or they have a huge case of test anxiety.

There are a lot of NBCTs, but they are not the majority. We have 5 out of about 40 at our school. It is one of the things that shows up on the school's "report card."

http://www.ncschoolreportcard.org/src/

 

The NC School Report Cards will tell you the number of NBC teachers for each school, district and state. Just select the county, then the school...and choose the "Quality Teachers" tab.

http://www.ncreportcards.org/src/

 

So where are the numbers that show without a doubt that students taught by NBCT's are at least 12% better than regular teachers?

 

Not 12% but definite improvement.
[SIZE=-1]www7.nationalacademies.org/bota/NBPTS%20Mtg-4-Ladd.ppt[/SIZE]

 

I am an NBCT if anyone needs any more information. I went through the process and found it extremely effective in improving my strategies in the classroom. I just find it humorous that everyone is so quick to bash teachers. WE ALL do our best to help each and every child. We are paid next to nothing for all of the hours that we put in..I log about 70 per week, and volunteer my time all summer long to help with curriculum development and for gaining all of the credits necessary to keep my license. I don't understand why getting an increase in pay is a bad thing for us, that people must question whether we deserve it or not. Thank you to all of you that have said supportive words about the help we give and dedication we show to students.

 

Sorry, I need to work on my quoting skills. I guess National Boards didn't teach me that.

 

It appears based on your slides that are from the educational institution that no more than a 5% raise would be warranted. I would also like a more independent study.

 

They are not my slides, it was take a little effort and look it up on the internet slides, I invite you to go look for some that meet your needs. 8)

 

Thank you for educating our children, but choosing public education as a career means that the taxpayer pays your salary and hence you are open to reviews. They have always said no one goes into education for the money, which is not true. No one stays a teacher for the money or work hours during the 10 months school is in. Plenty of money to be made by the administration though!

 

How many hours have all of you logged in volunteer time in the classroom? Many times we like to voice our opinion when we actually don't have facts to back it up. You can't complain about what teachers do or do not do if you aren't there to witness it yourself.

 

I loved their conclusions.

So in other words, we might be wasting our money.

Then why not adjust for demographics? I'm not suggesting you look at test scores alone. Improvement and growth is the key. I think there are ways we could reward teachers for REAL achievement instead of "optimal teaching characteristics".

What about the majority of applicants who after spending countless hours on the process, walk away feeling like failures all because of someone's SUBJECTIVE evaluation of their "characteristics", despite their real world achievements? If we're going to reward people financially in front of their peers, lets see some CLEAR , REPRODUCIBLE evidence of merit. This is just typical of the inefficiency and feel-good mentality in government-run anything.

 

Writing is the cornerstone of communication. You can't be really serious that a teacher who can't write can still be an effective teacher.

No one is bashing all teachers, just those who are either inneffectual or those who complain about their job and put the responsibility on everyone but themselves.

That's an awful big brush.

So, are you in it for the pay?

If you don't like the low pay and long hours, get another job. I used to shovel peanut butter (among several other jobs in my early years). The pay was minimum and the work back breaking. I didn't like it but, instead of whining about it, I quit and got another job. I continued to do so until I found a job I like that paid a wage I could live with.

No one is forcing you to be a teacher.

I'll do your job if you do mine. My job is (or was, when my kids were school age) to make sure my kids are in school every school day with their homework completed and in hand.Your job is to teach them.

The facts I have are my kids grades.

Yes I can. I don't have to be there to see the results.

 

Clif, I won't argue with that. The problem is that teachers are not being paid a market wage because the public education system sets their pay. The fact that teacher shortages and attrition are a constant problem is a good indication that the pay is too low. I'd like to see our government get out of the education business completely and let the free market do its job. You'd see good teachers getting higher pay, bad teachers leaving the profession, better qualified people going into teaching, and most importantly higher achievement among students.

 

Certainly, higher achievement among the students who would be able to attend such a system - whose parents could afford to pay for it. That would certainly solve the problem of low-performing schools.

 

All sentiments I agree with strongly.

 

Hey, and it would be more fun to teach there! It would be great to have a whole day of no discipline challenges and involved students. Utopia!

However, what I think this system lacks is a way to raise up the lower classes. We would end up with an even greater disparity between "haves" and "have-nots." Believe it or not, there are many poor kids who are wonderful students and they deserve to get a good education, too.

 

hence the socio-economic experiment called public education. Education should be about education not raising up the lower classes. Billions of dollars poured into education and the resources are plowed into making everyone the same instead of an arena that fosters individuality and learning.

 

It is about education and ideas! At least to me...

But if you have an education, you won't be doomed to remain in a lower class. It is a side-effect of public education. If education is privatized and no one but the rich or upper-middle class can afford quality, then it will result in more economic issues for the country as a whole.

 

Here is a good look at some of the other side effects of public education.
http://www.steve-olson.com/how-the-public-school-system-crushes-souls/

He even has helpful solutions like: