Oh, I see. Remember what I said about "context"? Do you believe that the Narnia books represent Christian beliefs? The beliefs Mr. Pullman was talking about (albeit inacurately) are "bullying, racism and misogyny"
I think that would be a stretch to make that assumption. Most know the basis of Christian beliefs, even atheists who are truthful. They know that Christ is the basis of Christian belief. Anyway, you've got the article.
Ok, to "me" that is not comparrison. That was truth they killed our Lord and on the 3rd day he rose from the dead. That was about God rising to be our Saivor, and it was truthfully. He was killed intentionally and with out remorse. Truth our our Savoir over coming death has nothing to do with someone NOW writing books about killing God, unless it is the Truth about how it was done then and how he over came even death. Again this is TO ME.... I can not even think to compare the Lord dying for my sins to a mans non truthful writings now. I understand that you can find a comparrison and you are entitled to that thought... just I do not see that. I read the Bible EVERY DAY at least one verse, so no that does not stop me. I want to know more about God!! Again as I have said I just do not want to see this movie. This is me.... I do not care what others do... Truthfully I do not care if you or anyone choose to see it. I do not think you are going to hell if you do, I just do not want to support his way of thinking with my money (thinking about writing stories about killing God)
Thanks for the link. I have read the entire article, and to me it paints a very different picture from what has been presented here. Just a few random quotes: Both the Baptist Press article and the Baylor U. article contained quotes that seem to be attributed to the Washington Post article, but I only found one of them in there, about undermining the basis of Christian belief, in the middle of this longer quote: (after saying Tolkien would have deplored his books)
Oh? Did you not read the following two paragraphs? Again, the question is, do you see the Narnia books as representative of Christian ideals as C. S. Lewis intended? Simple question to which I would expect "Yes" or "No". If you answer "Yes", then you now understand that Mr. Pullman was not attacking Christianity as it truely is, but attacking it as shown by Mr. Lewis. That is, as bullying, racism and misogeny. If you answer "No", then why did Mr. Pullman make his statement in the context of the Chronicals of Narnia? Either way, if you read tha article, you can see that Mr. Pullman was indeed attacking Christianity as he understood it in the Narnia context. If I disavow The Inquisition, does that mean I disavow Christianity? Hardly. Yet The Inquisition was the height of Christianity at the time.
and after your 'yes' or 'no' to Clif, how about answering my question...only if you can/will though, of course. :-D
Well, to my knowledge, Pullman is injecting his own interpretation of the C.S. Lewis story and what the author meant. I'm not exactly going to prescribe to the implication that his feelings of the story are, in fact, what Lewis intended and Lewis is not here to clarify. George Lucas has been accused of much of the same as he lays upon C.S. Lewis, because of the Star Wars movies. Therefore, I'm not going to offer a response with a simple yes or no as I'm not really sure that can elaborate on what Lewis intended or what Pullman interpreted.
Which is exactly the point. What Christian ideals actually are doesn't matter. The fact remains that Mr. Pullman was attacking Christianity as he saw it through Mr. Lewis books. If you took the word "Christianity" out of the quote, you would have no problem. The fact is that, although Mr. Pullman used the word "Christianity", it is not Christianity as you and I define it, but as he felt Mr. Lewis defined it. Therefore he is not attacking Christianity.
I hadn't forgot about your question, however I wanted to make sure that it was clear that the article did actually exist. Okay, well you're probably not going to particularly agree with my position. I do not believe that early elementary school age is the appropriate period of time to introduce conflicting religious beliefs mingled with your own. If the mother and father are both Christian, then it is most important at that particular time that the child begin understanding what his/her mother and father believe. I know what it was like to be that age. You do not have a firm understanding of the Triune God. You don't contemplate how God himself is both Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit. You begin with the basics in the Bible stories, you pray and you teach them that God loved them enough to give us his son. Christmas means to celebrate the birth of Christ (although the true birth is not Biblically documented). Its bestowing honor to do so. However, clearly God puts much more significance on the death and resurrection of Christ, more so than the birth. Easter means that Jesus was hung on a cross and died for all those that love and trust Him. He was placed in the tomb dead and after 3 1/2 days, Jesus arose from the grave and He is alright and is with God (the Father) today in heaven. The Holy Spirit probably would be the most difficult to explain to a young child, but probably could best be discribed as the Spirit of God living in each and every Christian.
I cannot come to that same conclusion. Pullman is reported to be an intellectual type. He should know what he meant to say. He appears to be not the type of man to fumble around with what he means. He did not backtrack and clarify his position. He knew what he was saying.
Thanks for answering, though I am having a hard time figuring out, exactly what your answer is. I too, grew up with parents that were Christians and we went to Church, Bible School, church camp, etc. and I followed along with that until I became out on my own. I remember, distinctly, when I realized there was more to it, religion that is, diverse if you will, and many ways to worship and praise God as an individual. Though I don't know you, I do hope that your precious children will be able to believe in what they chose, after being given good tools from their parents and that they know they are loved no matter what. That they have the knowledge to know that Hollywood produced interpretations don't make you believe in anything that you don't want to.
I beg to differ. There are some people that view that as being published fact. To literal to recognize it any other way.
some do, for sure. I do not. My kids do not. just passing along some of my simple (or not so simple, depending on whom you ask) beliefs and having a friendly argument with Jester.
WTF does any of this have to do with teaching your children to respect others' beliefs and instilling a broader world view (beyond Sunday school)?
Everyone should be able to believe how they want... I firmly belive in that! And I can not judge any one for their beliefs, I can choose my way and they can choose their way...There is no problem with that to me. That is what I persoanlly have been trying to say from the start.
Oh no....It's just a feeling I get. They do a movie review on a radio station about upcoming and current movies. These are people that have either seen the movie or read the book and what not. And the information given is not good.............I agree on the email stuff as well because there are so many going around. My friend sent me an email one time of a picture of a skeleton at the computer stating that she was still waiting for all the "stuff" to happen if she forwarded all the stuff she got. It was pretty funny!
With all due respect, Harvey...if you do indeed have children, it would seem that your idea is to lessen their opportunity to actually be children and proceed with filling their heads full of stuff they'll learn soon enough. You don't have to drill tolerance into a child. The parents are the child's greatest role model...or certainly should be. I want my child to understand the parents first; understand the family's upbringing and how important he or she is in the family scope. I don't have to teach my child about Hindu or Islam to teach to be considerate and respectful. All to often, children have a understanding of this with just a little guidance. They simply want to play. I don't have to explain to my child that its okay to play with another that appears different than they. They simply want to play. Social issues are for a more mature mind, and certainly so before grade 4 or 5. One can only wonder what you would suggest about having to explain why democrats and republicans cannot find common ground...and don't leave out the independents.
How does not believing in a god mean that you are Anti-Christ? I am not an atheist, although close to it, but I do not hate Christ. I actually believe that Jesus of Nazareth existed, I also wish that more Christians followed his teachings.
