Makes me ashamed to be from Johnston County

That's ok. We'll just put you in for one vote in favour of "Kama Sutra" in the elementary school library. To not have it dumbs down our future leaders and is the beginning of a slippery slope to Orwell's 1984 (or at least Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451").

Got it.

 

The movie rating thing will not work, I found the imagination can take you places the movie never would.

I know I would get booed for this in that I really have no problem with the Karma Sutra being in the grade school library (other than my resources should have been used to support something that is typically taught at that level). I figure at that age they would not know what they were looking at and would hope that it would be near the librarian, or behind the counter.

 

No. No line. Just because a book was written a couple hundred years ago does not mean that pornography it might contain is acceptable for children.

Understand that I am not against "How the Garcia Girls Lost Their Accents", or any other book, being published. Nor am I in favour of banning any books. I do feel, however, that some books because of their content or explicit nature should not be made available to just any child who picks it up off a shelf.

 

Let me ask you a question...

Why do you seem to think that I am the Church Lady ready to close down the school library as a den of iniquity?

I'm not the one who should alone draw the line. As I said earlier, the community as a whole should decide where the line is drawn, as it was done in this instance. Do I have an opinion? Certainly. Should my opinion be the deciding factor? No, not any more than Hught who really would make "Kama Sutra" available to grade schoolers. There is a medium that most can live with, which is why we, as a community, elect a school board to make our decisions for us. If we disagree with those decisions, one hopes that we elect replacements whose decisions we do agree with.

But I am not going to sit here and be grilled on whether I would, for example, take "Gone With The Wind" out of the school library because it contains the word "damn".

 

why is it so outrageous and flawed to you to take the same types of content triggers that the movie industry uses (on themselves, i might add) and apply them to books in a school library?

 

Since this fictional book about contemporary issues seems to strike such discord, I think that most of those who would restrict books have never read them, and therefore are taking some parts out of context.

Are we to remove Chaucer's Canterbury Tales? The Iliad and the Odyssey? Faulkner?

As for the movie to book standard for correlation, I question any sense of validity here. Unless one has read "A Walk To Remember", one wouldn't know the difference between the settings in one versus the other.

Recently, we saw a movie, "Love In the Time of Cholera", a Nobel Prize literature-wining book.

Unless a parent were to read it, they wouldn't know whether or not the movie mirrors the book, nor would they have any idea as to the depth, and merit of the literature.

For my money, few of us actually have opened the books our children have. If you have not, then you are making a value judgment based on perception, not knowledge.

I see the results of the lowest common denominator. Is it any wonder that scholastically, the USA is getting its rear kicked by those countries who require their students to learn the hard sciences, literature, etc.

I would submit that those posting on this board, generally, have attained a higher level of education and awareness those who I perceive to be leading the charge against classical literature.

 

is there an echo in here? clif and i seem to be taking our talking points from the same location

 

Clif and DB have hit the nail on the head.

Bull. Those are the parents who will get the book from the public library to start with. The parents who don't care what's in the school library are the same ones who don't care what their kids are doing, where they are, or who they're hanging around with.

Hear Hear!

Yes, its too dangerous. I almost died of boredom after reading and talking about it for several weeks in college.

 

I was thinking the SAME THING about Chaucer. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

 

Actually, the real problem is not enough people run for the School Board so we don't have a variety of choices. Yes, I agree that more should certainly go vote and it is sad to see the low numbers but others need to step up and run for these seats and offices. Same applies for President. We've been discussing it and would like to see a "real" leader but a regular person who would probably be great just doesn't stand a chance against big money and power.

Grace

 

Clif,
I agree that everyone certainly has an opinion and can voice it. That is why we live in the wonderful country. I also agree that a medium could be found but it would be very hard to find it. If you read one of my previous Posts I state that we need more people to run for office or the school board. We just don't have fair representation because the same people keep running or one could say the same group. Yes, more people need to vote but a better one is to have a wider range of people to vote for.

Your Posts seem to make one believe that even the word "damn" would be unacceptable. I don't think you meant it that way but I could be wrong.

Anyhow, I need to get back to dangerboy soon so I just wanted to throw my penny in with you.

Grace

 

No Clif, you most assuredly don't "got it" and you sure as heck don't speak on my behalf. Put yourself down for whatever you want. I will speak for myself thank you.

Clif, this thread is already 36 pages long so asking each individual to cite examples is a bit repetitive when others have already done so....

 

Can someone change that needle out because it keeps skipping and repeating the same thing over and over.

 

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

 

:mrgreen:

 

You got that right!

This thread has been pounded into the ground!

 

Well the bad part is some posters think they are above you so they keep posting the same stuff until THEY feel you get it or accept their answers. I am not going to mention names but they usually point themselves out pirdy quick.

 

Josey,
Do you home school? It sounds like you would think that was better than public school. Just asking.

As a concerned and involved parent I do take exception to anyone stating parents are not involved in the kids lives. Parents from all walks of life, political affiliations, religious affiliations, etc. are involved. That is exactly why we need to make sure that we have a wide and diverse range of books for our children at school libraries. Expansion of the mind is a great thing. I have friends from all diverse ranges who have children in our public school system and we do not agree on most issues but one we do agree on is that if a child does get exposed to different ideas they can never make decisions in the future without being influenced by what is within the four walls they live in.

Example: A convention for young teens and young college students happened in Greensboro this summer. This was a political convention where they could share ideas, but it was for one Party. Our family along with help from organizers called families in our area, spoke to the parents and then the teens to see if they would be interested in going. We called families from both Parties to see if the teen would like to see another side and if the parents were okay with that. Each person we called stated "yes". One of the teens is in the other Party's club at high school while others had parents who are completely on the opposite side from this convention. Each teen went into this with an open mind and met the State Party Chairperson, who took 30 minutes out of his busy schedule to just sit with the Johnston County Teens answering questions and listening. One of the teens was nominated to be the State Teen V.P., which we were all shocked about and he gave a wonderful speech, because he was interested in doing this. The largest group came from NCSSM and they outnumbered us by one person (impressive).

I was thanked by each teen and parent for driving them and exposing them to something like this. Some did not change their mind on what they believe but said they learned. Others expanded their minds.

All I am saying is that people need to be exposed to all types of books so they can expand minds and learn new things.

Grace

 

sooooo....has ANYONE actually read a GOOD book lately???

just checking.....

 

deliqueen wrote

Yep. sure did,,,title was "Fanny Hill":mrgreen: