WRAL - Crossing the line

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  1. Cleopatra

    Cleopatra Well-Known Member

    N & O Article.....


    Hispanic DWIs rooted in immigrants' culture
    Lifestyle, isolation figure in driving drunk

    Marti Maguire and Kristin Collins, Staff Writers

    When Eliseo Hernandez came to the United States 30 years ago, he thought he drove better after a few beers. Driving drunk had been normal back in Mexico, he said. But Hernandez, 54, learned of its perils firsthand. He quit the practice after falling asleep at the wheel and hitting a tree 18 years ago.
    Then, last year, a young Hispanic man who authorities say was drunk nearly killed Hernandez's only son, Diego, in a crash on a rural Johnston County road. Eliseo Hernandez's daughter, who was nine months pregnant, lost her unborn child in the accident.

    Hernandez has spent the past year following Diego through four hospitals and 14 brain surgeries. Diego only recently began to smile again and might never walk.

    Hernandez said he hopes his painful journey will teach his friends and family a lesson. Car accidents are the top killer of Hispanics in North Carolina, and the disproportionate number of alcohol-related arrests and wrecks are an embarrassment to a minority already beleaguered by hard feelings over illegal immigration.

    "It makes the Mexicans look bad, very bad," Hernandez said. "The American people say 'Oh, it's just another Hispanic, the same as the others.' "

    In 2005, there were 37 alcohol-related crashes caused by Hispanic drivers for every 10,000 Hispanics in the state, according to the UNC Highway Safety Research Center. That is more than three times the rate of alcohol-related crashes among non-Hispanics.

    Hispanic leaders are struggling to stem a problem that they say is rooted in the waves of young men who leave the calming influences of church and family to labor alone in a new country.

    "It's difficult because you're trying to compete with the loneliness," said Tony Asion, public safety director for El Pueblo, an Hispanic advocacy group. "Then, as some learn, more come, and we start again."

    Carnage continues

    Last month, a Johnston County father and son died in a fiery crash authorities say was caused by Luciano Tellez, 31, an illegal immigrant from Mexico. Dwane Braswell, 35, and his son Jerry, 9, were riding in a tractor-trailer cab on N.C. 210 in the Cleveland community of Johnston County when Tellez struck the tractor and rolled it into a ditch, where it caught fire.

    Empty beer cans were found in Tellez' car, but authorities say it is impossible to know whether he was drunk.

    It was the latest in a string of such accidents caused by Hispanic men. In February in Salisbury, a woman who was eight months pregnant and her unborn child were killed. In October, it was two college students and a high school boy. In January 2006, a man from El Salvador killed a Hillsborough woman in a head-on crash and fled, leaving an injured passenger in his own car.

    Researchers say drunken driving among Hispanics is at least partially explained by demographics. As in many places where immigration is fairly recent, the Hispanic population in North Carolina is young and dominated by men -- both factors that make them statistically more likely to drive drunk.

    Men in their 20s and 30s made up more than half the people charged with DWI statewide in the year ending last July. Nearly 40 percent of North Carolina Hispanics were 21- to 39-year-old men in 2005, according to census estimates. This same age range accounted for only 18 percent of blacks and 16 percent of whites.

    Bobby Dunn, who counsels Spanish-speaking DWI convicts in Johnston and Wilson counties, said his clients are often young men far from home with money in their pockets for the first time. Many were too poor to have cars in Mexico, so they have little experience behind the wheel.

    They also see drinking as a way of showing their manhood.
    "The magic number is 12," Dunn said, or "un doce" in Spanish. "If you can drink 12 beers, you're a man."

    Others say heavy drinking is part of a lifestyle dominated by long work days building homes, painting or picking crops.

    Walking down Buck Jones Road to his apartment in West Raleigh, Alberto Gonzalez figured he would drink most of the 12-pack he had just bought that night, even though it was a weeknight.

    Gonzalez, 29, said he hadn't given much thought to spending a night without a beer in hand. "I just sit and drink," he said. "Maybe a friend will come by. Other than work, this is what I do."

    Hernandez was part of an early wave of young men who came to North Carolina to pick tobacco. There were so few Hispanics in North Carolina then, he said, he couldn't find a store that sold hot peppers or corn tortillas.

    He had been a drinker in Mexico, he said, but it got worse in the United States. He didn't have a family to tend to, and he felt very alone in a place where no one understood him.

    "When you are young, you don't think anything will happen to you," he said. "When you have a family, you care more about your life."

    In fact, the increasing number of Hispanic women and children in North Carolina may explain why the prevalence of drunken-driving accidents and arrests among Hispanics has not grown with the population.

    By some measures, DWI accidents and citations among Hispanics are actually diminishing.

    Hispanics made up 18 percent of the 75,000 DWI arrests last year, while they accounted for 6 percent of the population. The portion of DWI citations going to Hispanics has crept up slightly since 2000, even as the growth in the state's Hispanic population has outpaced overall population growth by more than 500 percent.

    Since 2000, alcohol-related crashes among Hispanics have dropped from 9 percent of all crashes that involve Hispanics to 7 percent.

    The pressure to reverse the trend is intense. Each fatality brings calls for deportations and tighter immigration controls.

    Luke Steele, 49, adds up the deaths and sees a growing problem that stems from immigration. He said his daughter lost her college roommate to a Hispanic drunken driver in October.

    Steele, a longtime fire rescue worker, also remembers a 1991 wreck in which a teenage girl was killed by an illegal immigrant who "skipped town before the case ever went to trial."

    "We've still got plenty of stupid white, black, pink and purple people that drive drunk. That's plenty to go around," he said. "The reality is if they weren't here, they could not kill people [while] driving drunk."

    After the March wreck in Johnston County, U.S. Rep. Sue Myrick, a Charlotte Republican, reintroduced a bill that would require the deportation of all immigrants convicted of drunken driving.

    And anti-immigration groups have seized on the issue as an effective marketing strategy for their cause.

    "The effect on the labor force is real, but it's indirect," said Mark Krikorian, director of the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies, which favors tighter controls on immigration. "Whereas, an illegal alien who drives drunk and kills some newlywed couple is tangible."

    Asion, who leads El Pueblo's effort to curb drunken driving, works to separate the DWI problem from the immigration debate.

    Many Hispanics have not grown up with anti-drunken-driving messages, and it will take time for the ideas to take hold.

    "It's not something that you can do easily," Asion said. "If it was, then the U.S. population would have already done it."

    (Database manager David Raynor contributed to this report.)
     
  2. tawiii

    tawiii Guest

    Thanks for posting queen.
     
  3. Cleopatra

    Cleopatra Well-Known Member

    Seems some people did not want to click on the link and get the story STRAIGHT FROM THE LATINO'S MOUTH.
     
  4. ddrdan

    ddrdan Well-Known Member

    Tawiii, a little off topic but I saw this on the web and thought you might like it. Looks like they jacked your avatar!!!
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  5. tawiii

    tawiii Guest

    Can't exactly say it is wrong.
     
  6. KDsGrandma

    KDsGrandma Well-Known Member

    Oh, I like this one much better than tawiii's! :lol:
     
  7. magnolia

    magnolia Well-Known Member

    Reminds me of the time in 3rd grade when my daughter kept complaining about this one child putting her hand in my daughter's face...literally touching (sometimes smacking) her in the nose. She was doing the "talk to the hand" thing, but apparently no one taught her that you don't actually touch anyone's face when you do that. Not only is it an invasion of personal space, it's completely unsanitary to allow children to touch other children's faces. I am not exaggerating when I say this was going on several times a day. This kid would walk up on other kid's conversations that she was not involved in and just do it. (It was obvious the kid wasn't getting enough attention at home.)

    Anyway...

    I sent a note to the teacher asking her stop the behavior from happening, but it kept up, so I contacted the teacher by phone. The teacher had the gall to tell me that she was trying to stop it, but had to approach it lightly because it was a "sensitive" subject because it was a "cultural" gesture.

    I told her that in our culture, putting your hand in and on someone's face like that is unacceptable, and that our culture had a gesture also....smacking that hand away. And that my daughter was going to be given permission from me to use that cultural gesture the next time it was needed.
     
  8. peppercorns

    peppercorns Well-Known Member


    i love this topic.....

    Send their drunk, illegal butts back to mexico. Amen.

    I don't give a hoot who doesn't like that idea - I am an American and I am protected under the "free speech" ammendment.
     
  9. MommySAIDno

    MommySAIDno Well-Known Member

  10. ServerSnapper

    ServerSnapper Well-Known Member

    :mrgreen:



    :hurray:
     
  11. Shadow Rider

    Shadow Rider Well-Known Member

    Are you fingerprinted when you get a DWI????? I know at one time you were only fingerprinted for felonies or when you were incarcerated in a state or federal facility, not a county jail. Just wondering if that has changed...since I've never been arrested for a DWI, I don't know.
     
  12. peppercorns

    peppercorns Well-Known Member

    the problem is that since they are illegal there is no paper trail on them and unless you randomly go around fingerprinting the illegals and the legal ones who cover for them, (on occasion), you can't even find them again once we let them go.

    oh yeah right - he is going to show up for his court appointment. They can just keep him then......and I won the lottery ( no!)

    when they are illiegal... when the get them, however they gwt them, lock them up and when you get a plane load send them back. The heck with their families and stuff - they are on welfare anyway. - send them home too when they complain. If you are not here legally then you have no rights and the ACLU can stuff it. They are supposed to be the AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES union. nothing about illegals there. Americans.

    Somebody go find my darn soapbox.................................
     
  13. Hught

    Hught Well-Known Member

    Do you have any non-anecdotal data to back up the welfare statement????


    Now lowering head before a rock hits it.
     

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