These people are not doctors they did not use any treatment whatsoever. They put their daughter in the care of someone they believed would heal her. Had that person been a doctor, they would not be facing charges (the doctor might, but they wouldn't).
Guilty of Negligence - Yes for the parents (also a doctor could be negligent if also not performing their job) Murder - tough one for me, I'm torn
No the parents wouldn't be charged unless they were neglectful. If they put the child in the care of a doctor and the child died, and the doctor was neglectful with that care, then he would be charged (legally or financially). Clif, let me ask you something. So what about God's commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill"? It looks like they broke God's law and man's law, so they will be equally charged on both counts. Kill http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kill transitive verb1 a: to deprive of life : verb1: to deprive one of life2:
They did not kill, they put their daughter's care in the hands of God so, in effect, it was God who killed. Once again, had they put their daughter in the care of a human doctor and the daughter died, would they have broken the "Thou shalt not kill" commandment?
SB, I sooo know what you are saying and this really is a tough issue for me but.. wouldn't it be God that technically killed her by not healing her? not her parents, who yes, were definately negligent. I don't know....just making conversation here...
If they fully believed the doctor was competent, should they then be guilty of negligence? If your answer is "no", then how could they be guilty of negligence for putting their daughter's care in someone they fully believed was better than any doctor?
OK...yes...perhaps opening a can of worms but this is just my opinion... I believe children are a gift from God, my children are not MINE they are God's children in which he has gifted to me for the time being just like I am a temporary gift to my parents etc.... By being a parent I believe I have a job to perform as far as taking care of God's gift to me and keeping them safe and doing what is best for them during this temporary time they are with me. With that said... I do think this girls parents were negligent in the fact they did not use all resources available to them to care for this gift from God so I do think they are negligent in that respect As far as murder goes they did put this child in God's hands to heal in which he did not, that was his choice, BUT the parents STILL DID NOT use the resources available here on earth to do their jobs as given by God, therefore negligence in that regards. Now a doctor can be negligent of course by not doing his job, but I was just using this as an example in my previous post, not really pertaining to this instance/story. Am I making any sense?
God didn't kill her. He also didn't neglect her. He put her on this earth in the care of her parents and doesn't owe anyone anything. So let's say I pray to a pig. My child is sick and the pig doesn't heal my daughter, then would I be neglectful? SAME DIFFERENCE. We have laws we have to follow in order to live in this country. Under our law, a person is guilty of Manslaughter in the Second Degree when that person recklessly causes the death of another person. A person acts recklessly with respect to a death when that person: engages in conduct which creates or contributes to a substantial and unjustifaible risk that another person's death will occur, and when he or she is aware of and consciously disregards that risk, and when that risk is of such nature and degree that disregard of it consitutes a gross deviation from the standard of conduct that a reasonable person would observe in the situation. The Bible teaches us to respect all authorities including the Laws of Man. http://www.truthinlove.com/analogies/law_of_man_vs_law_of_God.htm Here is a good website that explains what God says about seeking medical help. Just one quote from that site, but please read it for many others. "In Jeremiah 8:22 the statement about Gilead approves of physicians, albeit metaphorically. Jeremiah 30:13 equates the lack of medicine with a consequent lack of healing, and Jeremiah 51:8 says medicine is the way for Babylon to be healed. Although these examples are metaphors, they imply that medicines are useful. One can hardly conclude that God is against physicians or medicines by such neutral or positive usage." http://www.wcg.org/lit/booklets/healing/healing4.htm another good read: http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/prayer_vs_medicine.html
I know the discussioin has moved on, but what about parents that do not Vax? How do they get around this?
Yes. However, we go back to my original statement that, had the parents put their daughter in the care of a human doctor and she died, they would not have been charged and (I would be willing to bet) you would not say that they did not take her to several different doctors and therefore did not use all resources available. Said like someone who doesn't 100% believe in God. If a majority of the population of the planet believed in that same pig? That is exactly my point. Like you, the government in this case does not believe that God would or could heal the child, therefore the parents were neglectful in relying on some imaginary being. What it all comes down to is belief in God. Most people are Sunday believers. They'll go to church and pray, but when it comes down to brass tacks, they don't really believe in God. If your neighbour started building a giant boat in his backyard and told you that God told him to do it, at best most people would shake thier head at the poor guy who has obviously lost his senses. Most would not even consider the possibility that the neighbour actually did talk to God. What does that really say about our belief?
You can't enroll your child in public schools if you don't... right? Never looked into it, is the reason why I'm asking.
Heck NO... I'd ask him what day & time I need to be on the boat! :lol: I laugh, but I'm dead serious!
Well juvenile diabetes is usually at birth discovered. Sometimes even before birth. Type one means the body creates 0% insulin. Type 2 produces insulin just not enough. This is why there is a separation of church and state. Hospitols and Doctors are still managed by a Government agency. An intervention by someone should have taken place. Especially if the diagnosis was known by a Doctor. They have a moral obligation under oath to handle this situation. This picture is way outside the frame. It seems there is alot missing.
Then (so I don't make an incorrect assumption and don't want to re-read the thread), what is your opinion on the parents?
