The truth about Islam

Try this

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13075.htm

 

Ready, my appoligies but mid research the true anti-Christ, Bill Gates and his service pack 3 has struck my PC dead. So this comes from my phone and I am unable to post the links (Spacing and paragraphs go away also). Well your web site highlghts two main reasons they thought FactCheck got snookered 1) they photograped it in March. which was before the issues was flagged and 2) the photos all were taken within 6 minutes. Well I did a simple Google search and saw conspericy sites already whining about the BC over a week previous and also saw references going back to February. Also how many minutes do they really think it takes to photograph a single page? Regarding your source, they have been highlighted as a site focused on Obama conspiracies, which could be why they did not look very hard for info that contradicted what they wanted to see.

 

You are a member of this board and so are just as influential as everyone else.

And when they make stupid remarks, I will call them on it as well.

Certainly you are. All I'm saying is, if you're going to question the man, do so with ammunition that has not been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt by reputable non-partisan organixzations. Stick to the facts and you'll have no problem. Try to convince others to not vote for him based on obvious falicies, and people will wonder of the real facts shouldn't be called into question.

No I wouldn't. But not having anything to do with Westboro. I don't like the man's liberal ideals. I have said that on a number of occasions. Keep coming back and asking me again if I would vote for him is strictly redundant.

 

Everything you said I have no problem with, but the part about convincing others based on fallacy. The association with Wright's church and Wright's radical liberation theology are factual, just not spoken of that much. Obama has admitted that he attended for about 20 years and at least went two times a month, perhaps more. Obama has not stated he believed as Wright, but he did attend the church of his "spiritual mentor" for twenty years.

 

This was discussed months ago, where were you then? Since Mr. Obama has denounced Rev. Wright, we have moved on. There is much more serious problems with Mr. Obama's political ideals than what he may have heard in between naps at church.

 

Actually Jester, in a 2004 interview Obama himself says that he attended the 11:00 service "every week"

I knew I had read that somewhere, just took me a while to find the interview transcript again.

This is interesting to me

because he refers to Jesus as a "historical figure" and a "wonderful teacher" instead of Savior, Lord, or the Son of God. I don't know of any truly born-again Christians who would say that about their Lord and Savior.

And Clif, the point is that even though he has removed himself from that church (only after it was criticized for it's radical beliefs) that he sat under Wright's teaching for 20-21 years. (Again, his own words) -

I find it very hard to believe that someone would stay and listen to a "Reverend" preaching stuff he didn't agree with for 20 years or more. So even if the media downplayed his involvement with Trinity because he has since left the church the fact is that it DOES matter, at least to some of us, as to what he was hearing and learning there.


http://falsani.blogspot.com/2008/04/barack-obama-2004-god-factor-interview.html

 

I find it interesting that the same people criticize him both for being a Muslim and for being the wrong kind of Christian.

 

Well, at least you aren't calling him a Muslim anymore.

My Dad was a racist. Not KKK, sheets, and burning crosses, more like Archie Bunker.

I am not.

I lived with the man for over 20 years, grew up listening to him rant and rave about the evils of Dr. King, and the race riots of the 60s, and how the uppity n's were going to take over. yada, yada.

How is it, do you think, that I was able to live and listen to a racist for over 20 years without becoming a racist myself?

 

Obama was an adult when he joined the church of his spiritual mentor. That is a lofty title for someone you don't believe. Clif, does a person join a church or any organization and bestow such a title on their leader, make it a part of almost half their life and not adhere to its principles?

Ready, he must have backtracked some on the issue, because he told O'Reiley that he maybe went twice a month.

 

Because Clif, he was your father and as a child you didn't have a choice as to where to live, even if you didn't agree with his beliefs. Obama CHOSE to sit under Reverend Wright's teaching. He didn't have to stay there if he didn't agree with Wright's beliefs, he was free to leave, wasn't he? I'm sure there are a lot of other "black" Christian churches in the Chicago area that he could have chosen to attend. Why did he stay then? Could it be because Trinity welcomes Muslims, no matter what kind, into their congregation?

 

But your comment was that he must have absorbed some of Rev. Wrights teaching, since he was there for twenty years.

And, yes, I chose to stay at home, at least for the last five or six years, and even returned on occasion. My Dad was a racist, but he did have good qualities as well. He was a damn fine carpenter who I learned a lot from.

I didn't choose to stay because he was a racist, I chose to stay for many other honourable reasons.

 

You would think that would be common sense, wouldn't you. :?

 

Does the color make a difference in Christianity? Your use of the word other implies that there are other Christian churches. Do they all agree with your philosophy. Would he not have been welcomed in your church? Or is there a difference in salvation for you and another for all others?

 

I said that based on Obama's own words...

...in one interview, anyway. If you don't like having a color added before the word church, maybe you need to take that up with Obama instead of me.

Personally, none of the churches I've attended have been referred to as "the white church." The two churches that I've been a member of in my lifetime have had black members and/or attendees. My concern about a church that I chose to be a member of would be that Biblical TRUTHS are being taught, not what color the congregants are.

 

Hey Ready,

Maybe the church was painted black! (Just kidding around at the moment).

Sherry :lol:

 

Signs of intelligence discovered on local forum

Just saw this post, post and I've got a question for you.

Where is your "church" and are they accepting members?

 

A lesson for the liberal sons and daughters of this country?

Top ten reasons why sharia is bad for all societies

http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html[/quote]

 

This is from the country where the judges and lawyers still wear white wigs, right?

 

^ And? :neutral:


Anyway... in the short video clip linked below, two former Muslim brothers, Drs. Emir and Ergun Caner, tell the difference between peaceful Muslims and Islam... and what Islam will mean for this country if we are not careful.


http://www.coralridge.org/medialibrary/default.aspx?mediaID=CRH0839_F

 

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