Illegal Immigrants in the community colleges

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/6644883/

If you missed the meeting earlier, you still have time to provide comment via email ( publiccomments@nccommunitycolleges.edu )

 

I support anyone getting an education to better himself. At least they'll pay out of state rates, not like the favored in state rates that are available to out of state students whose skills seems limited to athletic endeavors.

 

It looks like they have addressed the objections that I had seen before.

So they're not being subsidized by taxpayers, and they are not taking seats away from citizens or lawful residents in popular classes.

 

I have no issue with it, then.

 

except for the fact that they are still illegals.

 

Well certainly, however I would rather they be educated and productive members of society than MS13 members or govt teat suckers.

 

if they are sitting in a classroom then they are taking seats away from legal residents.

 

I agree. How does it not matter that they are breaking a law because they are paying a higher rate? Perhaps we should just let drunk drivers pay a little more for insurance and then not worry about them anymore.

 

Illegal is Illegal, round them up send them home, why is this such an issue I will never know. Try being in Mexico Illegally and see what happens to you.

Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most Americans would love. However, Mexican officials haven’t been sharing that idea with us as they press for our Congress to adopt the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.

That's too bad, because Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it’s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve

our illegal immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:

in the country legally;
have the means to sustain themselves economically;
not destined to be burdens on society;
of economic and social benefit to society;
of good character and have no criminal records; and
contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
The law also ensures that:

immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.
Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens -- and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Población, or
General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country's immigration policy.

It is an interesting law -- and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a
crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.

We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let's look at Mexico's main immigration law.

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)
Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico's immigration practices versus its American
immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government's agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.

Let's call Mexico's bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let's propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico's own law as a model.

This article was first posted at CenterforSecurityPolicy.org.

 

exactly, what part of illegal is not recognized Seriously, if you want to come to this country then do it legally, i am tired of my taxes going to educating illegal immigrants and taking away from my grandchildren in the public schools. Every generation before us had to enter legally and work toward becoming a US citizen, pay taxes to the US instead of sending money back to their home country and then when the fake id runs out, running back to their home country. Sorry but that is a really sore spot with me, every generation before us that came here had to learn our language and become a citizen before being allowed to live for free and send all their income back to their home country:banghead:

 

So they are knowingly illegal and allowed to attend community college? Maybe it's just a trap and once they show up for class, they will be detained and escorted back to their country until they can legally obtain citizenship. That would be the only way I would support it. How can anyone support anything that has "illegal" in it?

 

That would be nice. :lol:

 

Two points to ponder:

1. Most of these people wanting to attend college have lived here the majority of their lives, brought here as young children by their parents. They have no recollection of life anywhere else. Was it their fault they came here when they were 2 or 4 or even 8? They have succeeded where many American children fail: in school.

2. Whether or not Mexican law states immigrants must be productive, etc., we had a family member (whom we distanced ourselves from for many reasons) who moved to Mexico to avoid paying child support. He lived there without any job for 8 years. Once his daughter turned 18 and he could not be taken to court for support, he returned to the US. Unlike many of the illegal immigrants who live here simply to make a better life for themselves, he lived in Mexico to avoid his obligations.

 

How do you figure that? Did you miss this part of the article?

If a class fills up with citizens and legal residents, they don't get in. They only get into classes that have available seats.

 

That's a worn out arguement. In fact, it just supports the parents reasoning for remaining illegal. As long as we keep catering to the illegal community they will never put forth the effort to become legal; other than waiting on amnesty.

 

What happens if the class is full, 5 students are illegal and have paid, and a legal resident want to take the class? Do they remove one of the illegals from the class and allow the legal in?

My guess would be no. The legal resident would lose out.

 

Do you mean if a legal resident wants to add the class after the regular registration date? I don't know what would happen in that case. But there is a period of time to sign up for classes, and I assume that after that time passes, if more people have signed up than there is room for in the class, the illegals will have to take another class that is not full, or get their money refunded. Whether that would extend into the drop/add period, I don't know.

 

Should we ban speeders from taking classes? I think that is also illegal.

 

ROTFL, you must be a Democrat. Hught, let's compare apples to apples(love that game) instead of trying to deflect and distract. But for your entertainment, we shouldn't ban speeders from taking classes unless they are illegal immigrants. LOL
You're usually better at making points than this.

 

Next we'll be asking stores to require proof of legal residence before selling groceries.