Nosestud as an religious symbol

Try again. We've already been down this path pages and pages ago.

 

Funny how you can't carry concealed in a bank, but technically by law you can open carry in a bank. I wouldn't advise it, but it's not against the law either.

 

God Bless America

Personally I don't care if the girl wears a ring in her nose but I do believe in following the rules. She could just as well have pierced her navel and pulled her blouse down over anything that might show to make an exhibition of her religion.
A friend sent me this and even if it isn't "real", I like the tone of it.



GOD BLESS AMERICA!

We need about 100,0000,000 more like this man, or at least one for every school
in the US.


This man deserves a standing ovation !!
This speech was given by a new H.S. principal somewhere in Florida
(I wish I knew where).
To the students and faculty of our high school:
I am your new principal, and honored to be so. There is no greater calling
than to teach young people.
I would like to apprise you of some important changes coming to our school.
I am making these changes because I am convinced that most of the ideas
that have dominated public education in America have worked against you,
against your teachers and against our country.
First, this school will no longer honor race or ethnicity. I could not
care less if your racial makeup is black, brown, red, yellow or white. I
could not care less if your origins are African, Latin American, Asian or
European, or if your ancestors arrived here on the Mayflower or on slave
ships. The only identity I care about, the only one this school will
recognize, is your individual identity--your character, your scholarship,
your humanity. And the only national identity this school will care about
is American. This is an American public school, and American public
schools were created to make better Americans.
If you wish to affirm an ethnic, racial or religious identity through
school, you will have to go elsewhere. We will end all ethnicity-, race-
and non-American nationality-based celebrations. They undermine the motto
of America, one of its three central values -- e pluribus unum, "from
many, one." And this school will be guided by America 's values.
This includes all after-school clubs. I will not authorize clubs that
divide students based on any identities. This includes race, language,
religion, sexual orientation or whatever else may become in vogue in a
society divided by political correctness.
Your clubs will be based on interests and passions, not blood, ethnic,
racial or other physically defined ties. Those clubs just cultivate
narcissism -- an unhealthy preoccupation with the self --while the purpose
of education is to get you to think beyond yourself. So we will have clubs
that transport you to the wonders and glories of art, music, astronomy,
languages you do not already speak, carpentry and more. If the only
extracurricular activities you can imagine being interesting in are those
based on ethnic, racial or sexual identity, that means that little
outside of yourself really interests you.
Second, I am uninterested in whether English is your native language. My
only interest in terms of language is that you leave this school speaking
and writing English as fluently as possible. The English language has
united America 's citizens for over 200 years, and it will unite us at
this school. It is one of the indispensable reasons this country of
immigrants has always come to be one country. And if you leave this
school without excellent English language skills, I would be remiss in my
duty to ensure that you will be prepared to successfully compete in the
American job market. We will learn other languages here -- it is
deplorable that most Americans only speak English -- but if you want
classes taught in your native language rather than in English, this is not
your school.
Third, because I regard learning as a sacred endeavor, everything in this
school will reflect learning's elevated status. This means, among other
things, that you and your teachers will dress accordingly. Many people in
our society dress more formally for Hollywood events than for church or
school. These people have their priorities backward. Therefore, there
will be a formal dress code at this school.
Fourth, no obscene language will be tolerated anywhere on this school's
property -- whether in class, in the hallways or at athletic events. If
you can't speak without using the f-word, you can't speak. By obscene
language I mean the words banned by the Federal Communications Commission,
plus epithets such as "Nigger," even when used by one black student to
address another black, or "*****," even when addressed by a girl to a
girlfriend. It is my intent that by the time you leave this school, you
will be among the few your age to instinctively distinguish between the
elevated and the degraded, the holy and the obscene.
Fifth, we will end all self-esteem programs. In this school, self-esteem
will be attained in only one way -- the way people attained it until
decided otherwise a generation ago--by earning it. One immediate
consequence is that there will be one valedictorian, not eight.
Sixth, and last, I am reorienting the school toward academics and away
from politics and propaganda. No more time will be devoted to scaring you
about smoking and caffeine, or terrifying you about sexual harassment or
global warming. No more semesters will be devoted to condom wearing and
teaching you to regard sexual relations as only or primarily a health
issue. There will be no more attempts to convince you that you are a
victim because you are not white, or not male, or not heterosexual or not
Christian. We will have failed if any one of you graduates this school and
does not consider him or herself inordinately lucky--to be alive and to be
an American.
Now, please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance to The flag of
our country. As many of you do not know the words, your teachers will hand
them out to you.
THIS PRINCIPAL SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF ALL OUR SCHOOLS!

 

You are correct, the girl alone, is not a disruption. But she is breaking the rules that are in place for EVERY Student. If she get's to wear a nose ring (breaking the rule) then the ones that want to bring their religious weapon get to do so, the one's that want to wear religious red, white and blue stripes in their hair get to do so, the ones that want to wear their "holy" jeans get to do so, the one's that want to smoke their ceremonial pot in the bathroom get to do so, and so on.

all of that, is disruption and why the rules are in place.

 

Extremely Hypocritical, no surprise though. Aclu runs religion/prayers outta school but yet choses to take a religious stand on a nose stud in school.

Hellooooo, dang there are some rather dense backing of them here. Foolish beyond belief. Oh well. ;

 

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/8419422/

Judge ordered CHS to let her back in with the nose stud...

 

ACLU acts to protect one's rights under the Bill of Rights. You are confusing the ACLU (and several prominent religious leaders in addition to the American United For Separation of Church and State info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_United_for_Separation_of_Church_and_State who seek to protect an individual's rights.

ACLU et al fight to prevent administration led or sanctioned religious events at school, simply because government endorsement of any religious event is not constitutional.

This probably took the federal judge all of about 44 seconds to rule on this, as blatant as the case was.

Had the judge allowed JCS to define her religious belief as unacceptable, then a line would have been drawn by a government body telling a citizen that there is a line of "accepted" religious beliefs and practices, versus those that are not "accepted". The Constitution prevents any government organization from doing that.

As I said, this amounted to a tempest in a teapot. I predicted what would happen.

I realize that supporting an unpopular stance, especially in our community, just rubs some on here the wrong way. Hugh and I get that. Yet, we would be as quick to apply our support for you, if you were wrongly denied a civil right under the law.

What's legal may not always be popular. What's popular may not always be legal.

 

Great! Now she can get that college education she is so excited about. Then when she shows up for interviews to get a job and they tell her about company dress code...she can go back to court! Cool!!

 

I think I just threw up a little. Seriously? You know what? Sometimes what is the majority opinion is also right. You can keep trotting out her "rights" and "religious freedoms" but the fact is, as stated by her own church, she is NOT required to wear it all the time. You and some others are acting like the school is trying to force a Hindu to eat a hamburger.

 

Yes, sometimes. And the converse is also true.

 

We get it Hat, you are firmly on the side of this poor, poor, downtrodden child. I tell you what, she's gonna need your support when she can't hold down a job because employers aren't going to put up with her nonsense.

 

Hat have you been to the website of this church. It has nothing on it about religion. just faith and community and spirituality (sp) is mentioned a few times.. There is no belief except in themselves and the modification they are doing to their body.

 

and like I said before....

But she is breaking the rules that are in place for EVERY Student. If she get's to wear a nose ring (breaking the rule) then the ones that want to bring their religious weapon get to do so, the one's that want to wear religious red, white and blue stripes in their hair get to do so, the ones that want to wear their "holy" jeans get to do so, the one's that want to smoke their ceremonial pot in the bathroom get to do so, and so on.

all of that, is disruption and why the rules are in place.

 

I am going to start my own religion that requires me to kick people like this girl, her mother and this ACLU person square in the butt.

 

sign me up!

 

After I get done with my New church gathering tomorrow, I'd be by to help you get people signed up. BTW....I hope my Church of The Green Fairways and Golden Suds isn't too backed up tomorrow.

 

my father refused to work on fridays for the last 15 years before he retired, due to his religious observance of his belief that the bible tells him to go fishing on fridays, not just eat fish on fridays.

 

It's not for me to say what is or is not this church's beliefs. Nor you, nor anyone except those who profess a belief in this. Ditto for all religious and non religious thought.

As for the church of butt kicking, you're comparing apples and oranges. Both are fruit, yet, hardly interchangeable.

The legal doctrine tends to follow the maxim, "Your right to swing your fist ends at the point where my nose begins." Feel free to kick away, until you harm someone who objects to it.

 

i totally believe in people's rights but again, if a rule is wrong you fight the good fight to get it changed, you do not blatantly ignore it and do whatever you please just to get publicity and your name on the news - where would we be if laws and rules were not in place? Did i misinterpret the article, seems to me it is not over yet, just a reprieve allowing her to go back to school to show all the kids it is ok to break the rules till the court settles it?

 

But did Jesus make you a fruit inspector?