Faith vs Religion (Religious)

I respect anyone's belief that we are born sinners but I certainly don't believe it myself.

DB's wife

 

"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23

"Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me." Psalm 51:5



I have faith that the Bible is the truth.

 

agree, Truth.

 

I agree KellBell!

On a side note, I read a great quote to me that Max Lucado listed on twitter lately... It read, "There is no such thing as being an Atheist after you die." 8)

 

Which translation? It has been translated so many times, one wonders exactly what is the "truth". It is a truth that scribes have made it. Ancient Greek scholars can attest to this. Just my two cents , in pointing out this fact. :neutral:

 

I don't "wonder" it's my personal translation, belief and faith.

(in the beginning of the thread, which most do not read, the definition of faith was provided).

 

Have you read the Bible Harvey? It is very very violent, it explains why one is a sinner. Being non devine we can't control our thoughts.


Clean slate would be awesome.....But you can't get it until You ask Jesus to come into your heart. After that....Your slate is clean. Sounds simple. But it isn't.

One of the hardest things for anyone to do is admit they are wrong. So kneeling down to ask forgiveness maybe hard for some. It is for me. Cause I am always right jester!

It is so hard to do the right thing. But that is where FAITH comes into play. You have to believe.

 

*facepalm*

Does anybody consider that this quote relies on the imposition of one's belief system onto another? Oxymoron is not the right word here, but...

 

This is my point, exactly. How can religion be the 'truth' if people keep making it up over the ages to fit what they prefer? You've made your own personal translation out of it to suit your emotional/spiritual needs. Ten years from now will you have a different outlook on it?

 

Yeah, I am familiar with that STORY.

 

I am sorry, but this is where religion really begins to look like a total farce and the argument begins to fall apart. The immediate imposition of guilt and only reclamation or salvation through acceptance is nothing more than an "Act now while supplies last" infomercial.

While I was baptized at a non-denominational church I didn't have much exposure beyond the occasional visit and Sunday school. Even back then I felt something was silly about the whole thing. Regardless, one does not have to read the bible to understand religion.

If you have welcomed children into your life, there is no way you can look down at them and view them as a sinner regardless of not being divine and unable to control their thoughts. Nothing so beautiful can be flawed.

 

I believe Atheism as define as no belief in God or a God...
I Believe in God and that when we die everyone will meet our maker for Judgement. So at that time I believe that people who are Atheist and choose not to believe in God will see Him and then see there is a God and no longer can be an Atheist once they meet Him So yes, you are right my thought is imposing my beliefs on that statement.

I personally do not believe that I need to "respect" other beliefs although others do not have to respect mine either. I am to Love others though, before myself which is a downfall that I could always improve upon. Respect to me means to honor or admire. So I do not respect (honor or admire) other religions and/or beliefs that differ my Christian beliefs. But on the other hand I do need to love them even though it can be hard and I can always improve on this part in my life. I want everyone to Know and accept Him and I am not perfect and that is just my beliefs, faith and religion.

As I said from the beginning My Faith is defined as Hope and Belief in the Unseen. My Religion is Christianity.... (Defined that earlier -lol)

 

You don't want religious folks to persuade you but now you are going to question the religious folks?

 

What about the religious questioning those who do not share their beliefs? I for one am a bit tired of Jehovah's Witnesses feeling the need to knock on my door once a week. The Bible is what it is - a book with stories, about God, the creation of the earth, Jesus, etc. What a person wants to take from it is fine. It is a classic book, much like a lot of others. My relationship with the God I believe in has nothing to do with organized religion. I recommend watching Bill Maher's "Religulous". An interesting perspective. JMHO:neutral:

 

I found the information in this link an interesting explanation of the concept of everyone being a sinner.

http://www.gotquestions.org/age-of-accountability.html

 

Isn't fibbing a sin in your religion?

You never did show me where I even utered an ill word towards God.

 

A good book



http://www.amazon.com/Evidence-Dema...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1303952964&sr=1-1

 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5052156

 

I think I might have posted somewhere on here that I respect other's beliefs. Maybe I should reword that to say I respect people's rights to their beliefs.

DB's wife

 

Atheists don't believe that a god or a superior being exists. The sad part of that is it makes life as we know it almost irrelevant. You're born, you live, you die. Nothing else. No hope or faith in an afterlife. It's almost a case of , "well, what's the point?"