There are no state-level protections against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in North Carolina. However, there are several towns and cities in North Carolina with local ordinances preventing discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in housing, employment, contracting, service, etc., What HB 2 does is remove all of those existing laws/ordinances (removing those protections) in the towns and cities where they already existed and prevents any towns or cities from enacting them in the future. Not necessarily a huge issue for women, African Americans, and the disabled, but it's a huge issue for the LGBT community in cities where they had protection against discrimination two weeks ago. So, while the driver of this bill was the bathroom ordinance in Charlotte, it went far beyond that. Sherry
Once again, if you identify as a man or a woman.....and appear to be as such.............I don't give a flying fig which bathroom you use, use the one that makes you comfy! Get in, do your business and get OUT. I.DON'T.CARE. WHY is this a thing? I don't CARE whether you are trans, gay, lesbian, bi..........I just don't. I just want to pee in peace.
The problem comes in where people know or discover in some manner that the person may not completely be one sex and want to cause trouble. In many cases the person is assaulted, in others the authorities are called, and some both happen. The ordinance gave them a legal right to be where they were and the state legislature decided to take that right away.
I think the reasonable philosophy of "live and let live" works pretty well here. I mean, are we now going to start "policing" bathrooms, or insisting on checking someone's birth certificate to verify the gender that they were born with before going into a stall to pee? And if perchance you do find that extremely rare individual (approximately 0.03 % of the US population) in the stall next to you, what exactly do you do? Scream loudly? Grab them by their ankle (from under the stall), awkwardly detain them, and then call the "Toilet Cops" to have them arrested? So now, we're fighting politics in public bathrooms too? Lol. The whole thing is just ridiculous scare-mongering, and singles out people who shouldn't be singled out. This is one crappy idea that Raleigh really should have flushed and washed its hands of.
Yup. And when people stop worrying about bathrooms and realize what the General Assembly has done, maybe we'll see a change in Raleigh.
I just showed you, that men go into ladies room and attack both women and children. What I'm trying to get you to see is that they do it NOW, without a law that says they are allowed in there. If a law then tells them that's it's LEGAL for them to be in the ladies room, this only increases the chances of perverts using it to their advantage.
But who are you or I to say who identifies with what? I've seen plenty of men who look feminine and women who look masculine. The law isn't going to say, unless you're wearing a dress, you can't come in here. I could tell you today that I feel like a unicorn, doesn't mean I am one.
Well actually, I won't fight for that. I believe an abortion should be consented to by both parties unless there are extenuating circumstances, but I'll leave that conversation for the Pit...
Live and let live. Yes, that's what we've been doing for 100 or so years, but the minute that the transgender community made it an issue (where are you pointed out, it probably never was before), the weirdos and perverts of the world now have a "get in the ladies room" free pass.
No, sorry, that's not true. There is no evidence to support that claim. As I've pointed out before, in all the municipalities that have passed similar laws there has been no increase in bathroom attacks. You're using the exact same argument that is used to promote gun restrictions --the fear that allowing open carry will increase gun crime. It does not.
You should care... if they take away the rights of a Trans person to use the bathroom they identify with, what's next?
Actually, yes it can. The definition of "identify" has to be made for an ordinance to stand. If there is no clear definition the ordinance will not be enforecable due to the overly vague description. The act of identification would generally include dressing as the sex with which one identifies.
No, it is not true. The numbers of assaults and discrimination against the LGBT community is widely documented.
A lot of transgender people change their birth certificate to their identified sex. I believe this law goes way beyond where one uses the restroom. Sherry
The ordinance did and the legislature's response went even farther in its scope. A transgender person cannot change their birth certificate at all in some states either. The process to change from one sex to another is not fast and the interim period is where a lot the the issues lie.
You say I have no proof, you say I have no logical reason to fear. I'm sure you'll try to pick it apart, but if you have 20 minutes, anyone really, please watch this. It will show you the types of things that happen when men are allowed in the ladies room. http://youtu.be/uzwMJAFWLtQ
