Bathrooms in Charlotte

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  1. High Plains Drifter

    High Plains Drifter Well-Known Member

  2. NJ2NC

    NJ2NC Well-Known Member

  3. markfnc

    markfnc Well-Known Member

  4. Sherry A.

    Sherry A. Well-Known Member

    Libs didn't start this Thread.......move along.

    Sherry
     
  5. Hught

    Hught Well-Known Member

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  6. NJ2NC

    NJ2NC Well-Known Member

  7. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    Some REAL science on the issue .....

    http://www.apa.org/monitor/2013/04/biology.aspx

    Gender identity: Biology or environment?
    April 2013, Vol 44, No. 4


    There is strong evidence that sexual orientation is largely tied to biology and that initial gender assignment is the strongest predictor of gender identity in the case of intersex children. Researchers have yet to precisely pinpoint the etiology of transsexualism, however. Various studies suggest that both biological and environmental variables may play a role in transgender development, says Eric Vilain, MD, PhD, chief of the division of medical genetics and professor of human genetics, pediatrics and urology at the University of California, Los Angeles.

    In 1999, scientists identified anatomic brain differences between transsexuals and nontranssexuals (Journal of Psychosomatic Research). More recently, Vilain and his colleagues determined that genetics may have a mild to moderate effect on transgender development (Biological Psychiatry, 2009).

    The biological evidence to date is not that strong, though, says Vilain. He points to another study in the April 2010 issue of theInternational Journal of Andrology showing that fetal exposure to a particular chemical appeared to have an effect on brain development that is linked to gender role behavior. It's quite possible that being transgender stems from a combination of genetic and environmental factors, Vilain concludes.
     
  8. cynadon

    cynadon Well-Known Member

    Wayne, I read it. Do what
     
  9. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    The video, "experiment" NJ2NC posted claimed the genetics were simple and determined gender, which is not the case. This was one study showing that in the cases of genetic ambiguity the other factors played an important role in the determination of gender identity. The concept of just an XY or XX being the case is wrong and there are several manifestations included in the group of people who will be assigned a sex by a doctor near birth. These are not all of the people who may be classified as transgender, but they are the ones being included as collateral damage without mention.


    Easier to read information on these groups:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
     
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  10. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

  11. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    Such an "un-biased" source. Try removing the people arrested for planting recording devices in bathrooms, including the one in their own home, and watch the numbers plummet. This is proof we should ban such recording devices to protect the women an children of the nation more than bathroom access for transgenders.

    Even this statement is incorrect as they include men taping men in the restroom.

    Here are nineteen more stories of predators using public bathrooms to criminally victimize women and children:
     
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  12. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    http://www.wral.com/mental-health-experts-call-for-hb2-repeal/15660802/#cAOtjQ5iEI7L3DVw.99

    RALEIGH, N.C. — More than 150 mental health professionals across North Carolina sent a letter to Gov. Pat McCrory on Friday, seeking a repeal of a new state law they say "has created a climate of fear and confusion" among transgender people.

    House Bill 2, which was approved during a one-day special legislative session last month, prohibits transgender people from using public bathrooms that align with their gender identity. It also excludes gay and transgender people from discrimination protections and bars cities and counties from extending such protections to them.

    The psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors and social workers cited studies that show transgender students have lower self-esteem and higher levels of depression and are more likely to commit suicide because of the bullying and discrimination they face at school. They dismissed the argument put forward by supporters of the law that it prevents sexual predators from going into women's bathrooms and locker rooms, saying there has been no increase in public safety threats in other places where transgender people are allowed to use the bathroom where they feel most comfortable.

    "As mental health professionals, keeping people safe is a top priority," the mental health professionals said. "The only real threat is to the safety of transgender people who can't use appropriate bathrooms."
     
  13. ricks99

    ricks99 Well-Known Member

    There are already laws against recording people in bathrooms, peeping, etc. See GS 14-202.
     
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  14. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    And there are also laws against assault, etc. that would be the next concern. All of which are more strict and applicable to the actual threats.
     
  15. markfnc

    markfnc Well-Known Member

    I think this is the most overblown thing ever. I've read the transgender amount to .03%. Forever if a person looked like a woman , went into the women's bathroom, then the stall, did what they were needing to do and left nothing was said. The same for a person looking like a guy and a men's room. So there was not an issue. Charlotte made a law saying this was ok, when it probably was already going on. So no law was needed. Then the State jumped on it after the news noted Charlotte had passed an unneeded law. So they needed to pass an unneeded law to over ride the other unneeded law. The state should have left it alone, or let time pass to let it sort out.
     
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  16. cynadon

    cynadon Well-Known Member


    move along, nothing to see
     
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  17. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    To a degree I agree, but there are a few reported instances of people being assaulted either verbally or physically for using the restroom and someone having questions/issues. While most of us would never experience that firsthand the transgenders in the state do more often than are reported. The question in that situation is if they do try to report it, will there be any support because they are not "supposed" to be there? The Charlotte ordinance gave them the right, which meant they could report the instance without as much fear. Now they cannot report it at all because there is a legal obstruction.
     
  18. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.e...d-Restrooms-and-Minority-Stress-June-2013.pdf

    In the largest survey of trans people to date, transgender and gender non-conforming people reported being fired due to anti-transgender bias (26%), being harassed (78%) and physically assaulted (35%) at school, suffering double the rate of unemployment, and attempting suicide at alarming rates (41%) (Grant et al. 2011)

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    The Transgender Law Center (TLC), in cooperation with the National Center for Lesbian Rights (NCLR), found in a survey of transgender people in San Francisco that 63 percent of 75 respondents to questions regarding experiences in public accommodations experienced denial of access and/or harassment at least once while using public restrooms (Minter and Daley 2003). In a separate, more qualitative survey of transgender people in San Francisco, Dylan Vade found that “out of 116 responses from those who did not identify as male or female, 48 people took the time to write out specific bathroom experiences, all negative. These experiences ranged from harassment to violence to getting fired” (Vade 2002, 2). Respondents reported being physically abused, verbally harassed, fired, arrested, and made ill from avoiding restrooms altogether.
     
  19. cynadon

    cynadon Well-Known Member

    The Transgender Law Center (TLC), in cooperation with the National Center for Lesbian Rights (NCLR), found in a survey of transgender people in San Francisco "says Wayne".

    I need a paying job!
     
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  20. poppin cork

    poppin cork Well-Known Member

    Now that is a,..................LOL.
     

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