Covid 19

https://news.northeastern.edu/2021/...orkers-still-havent-gotten-covid-19-vaccines/

Healthcare workers have been gradually coming around to COVID-19 vaccines, with one-third more people vaccinated since earlier in the year, but 27 percent of them are still unvaccinated, and 15 percent of the unvaccinated group are firmly opposed to immunizations.


But nobody asks WHY the 27% of highly educated medical professionals are not yet vaccinated. Do they need more information? You would think they would have some of the best information available to them, and they fully understand the medical implications of not being vaccinated.

 

Jesse, really? Isn’t the question that you have posed here ridiculous in this context? First of all, the article that you have posted SUPPORTS the vaccine for all healthcare professionals. With “healthcare professionals” encompassing a wide range of employees working within that industry, including orderlies and nurses, to doctors and researchers, it is inaccurate to place all “healthcare workers” under the same umbrella of “highly educated, medical professionals”. Nurses are not as ‘highly educated” as doctors, and are probably more susceptible to politicized disinformation campaigns than their more educated colleagues. This disinformation narrative that you are slavishly parroting here is the same one that NJ2NC was repeating a couple of weeks ago in which he posted an unevaluated, pre-press research paper that disinformation content creators got a hold of and then twisted to fit their MONETIZED ONLINE CONTENT narratives. At this point, with hospitals in the South overflowing with Covid patients and turning away others in need of non-Covid related procedures, shouldn’t the focus right now be on getting everyone vaccinated rather than promoting more disease and death? And that is exactly what the article that you posted advised:

 

You should realize that the healthcare industry includes ALL of the staff, including janitors, cooks, housekeepers, aides, the various levels of nurses, the various levels of doctors, and even the maintenance staff of nursing homes, hospitals, clinics, etc. which are not all highly trained in medicine much less vaccines and immunology. You, for example, profess to be in the pharmaceutical industry, yet your knowledge of the basics of viral transmission is sorely lacking and I would bet that you are not as highly educated as a researcher but more educated than some of the other employees in the industry.

Look at Rand Paul, he is a doctor, albeit of ophthalmology, with some training in the field of medicine, yet he is caught being wrong in his statements by real experts in the field of viral immunology and he still does not learn. That shows that even the highly educated are human and can allow their personal and political beliefs to be clouded by things which are known by true experts to be false.

 

You’re such a fraud & hypocrite.
So it’s ok to lump all unvaccinated people as being ignorant trump supporting Republicans, but damn if someone points out the unvaccinated healthcare workers which sets you off. GTH !!! With your condescending BS.

 

Nice try, but I never said anything about Trump supporters. Online disinformation campaigns have spread far beyond politics at this point and anti-vaxxers can include anyone. In fact, anti-vaxxers started out as a fringe group of mostly West-coast, Democrats years ago, before the internet gave them a national platform (cha-ching!) to disseminate their ideology. But as usual, you probably weren’t paying any attention. No surprise there.

 

That does not prevent them from being Trump supporting Republicans, but that really does not matter. It does show they are ignorant in relation to vaccines just because of their position. I know you are the poster child for ignorance in so many ways, but you do not have to exhibit it in every post, especially when you are not part of any discussion.

 

True, but there is a strong correlation between position on vaccines and political leaning due to the strong opposition for so long by the conservative GOP, which was lead by Trump and the anti-everything messages he sent.

 

Delta Variant peak over?

 

In general the health care workers i know that haven't got the vaccine had Covid in the past, and trust natural antibodies. I know one that takes the anti body test about every 2 months.

 

And that’s what happens when a national public health crisis becomes unnecessarily politicized.

 

Pursuant to what? The original Covid virus or the Delta variant?

 

That would depend on whether we continue to mitigate or not. We could see the return peaks like last year.

 

Exactly. This is the same fellow who kept saying that Covid was “over” last summer, just because we were in a statistical valley after the first Covid wave, but before the next one hit. So it would seem that he has some sort of “crystal ball” where only he, and he alone, can predict what’s going to happen. Never mind that none of us could have seen the Delta variant coming and causing yet another wave of illness and death.

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/09/210902174754.htm

Researchers have shown that certain immune cells, which are found in people previously exposed to common cold coronaviruses, enhance the body's immune response to SARS-CoV-2, both during natural infection and following vaccination. The researchers also report that this 'cross-reactive immunity' decreases with age. This phenomenon may help to explain why older people are more susceptible to severe disease and why their vaccine-induced immunity is often weaker than that of young people.

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/06/210615132216.htm

In a new study, the researchers found that the common respiratory virus jump-starts the activity of interferon-stimulated genes, early-response molecules in the immune system which can halt replication of the SARS-CoV-2 virus within airway tissues infected with the cold.

 

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-n...er-covid-19-symptoms-to-prior-run-ins-wi.html

These immune cells are better equipped to mobilize quickly against SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus responsible for COVID-19, if they’ve already met its gentler cousins, the scientists concluded.

The findings may help explain why some people, particularly children, seem much more resilient than others to infection by SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

 

More disparaging lies out of you, Mark never claimed or said Covid was over, as usual you can’t control your propensity to lie. Such a great trait to posses.

 

An understanding between correlation and causation is critical to note.

In COVID-19 patients whose symptoms were mild, Stanford researchers found that they were more likely than sicker patients to have signs of prior infection by similar, less virulent coronaviruses.

JUL 1 2021

A study by Stanford University School of Medicine investigators hints that people with COVID-19 may experience milder symptoms if certain cells of their immune systems “remember” previous encounters with seasonal coronaviruses — the ones that cause about a quarter of the common colds kids get.

 

Where are the links to these original Berlin and Stanford studies? You’re pushing the “natural immunity” disinformation narrative again by trying to equate Covid with the common cold. It simply isn’t true. Hospitals in the South would not be full of Covid patients of all ages right now if this virus was just the “common cold”. If they are doing studies comparing why some people get sick enough to be hospitalized, and then die, and others recover, that is the point of research to figure out why these discrepancies exist. But in no way are these articles advocating that people rely only on their “immune systems” to prevent Covid infection.

 

Still unclear, however -- and the object of intense debate -- is the question of whether these immune cells affect the course of subsequent SARS-CoV-2 infections. "Our assumption at the time was that cross-reactive T helper cells have a protective effect, and that prior exposure to endemic (i.e. long-established and widely circulating) coronaviruses therefore reduces the severity of COVID-19 symptoms," says the study's (and the previous study's) first author, Dr. Lucie Loyal, a researcher based at both the Si-M ('Der Simulierte Mensch -- literally 'The Simulated Human', a joint research space of Charité and Technische Universität Berlin) and the BIH Center for Regenerative Therapies (BCRT). She adds: "However, the opposite could have been true. With some viruses, a second infection involving a similar strain can lead to a misdirected immune response and a negative impact on clinical course." In the current study, the Berlin-based research team presents evidence to support their previous assumptions regarding the existence of a protective effect. According to their data, cross-reactive immunity could be one of several reasons for the variability in disease severity seen with COVID-19 but might also explain differences in vaccine efficacy seen in different age groups.