Covid 19

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  1. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

  2. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    Except for the promotion of new variants being created and you know the impact on the healthcare system and its workers, long term health impacts on those who survive .... and the deaths. All because of the misinformation on vaccines, the disease, and the treatments.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/us/arti...orts-record-3-764-coronavirus-deaths-in-a-day

    U.S. CDC Reports Record 3,764 Coronavirus Deaths in a Day

    By Reuters
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    Dec. 31, 2020, at 3:59 p.m.

    (Reuters) - The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Thursday reported 341,199 deaths from the new coronavirus, a record rise of 3,764 deaths from its previous count.

    The agency said the number of cases had risen by 230,337 to 19,663,976.

    The CDC reported its tally of cases of the respiratory illness known as COVID-19, caused by a new coronavirus, as of 4 p.m. ET on Dec. 30 versus its previous report a day earlier. (http://bit.ly/33mTSJz)

    The CDC figures do not necessarily reflect cases reported by individual states.



    (Reporting by Manojna Maddipatla in Bengaluru; Editing by Maju Samuel)

    Copyright 2020 Thomson Reuters.
     
  3. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

    For reference, Cameroon, where the latest variant IHU appears to be from, has had 3% vaccinated.

    Every major variant so far has come from a country with almost no vaccinations.
     
  4. NOT WOKE

    NOT WOKE Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I thought Joe was going to fix the situation and he cant even get test kits made. Biden now owns everything Covid accept the vaccine. Congrats Dems.
     
  5. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    Well, there are two old sayings that apply, the first is "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink", which means those of you who are not taking the vaccines have been led to the water but you refuse to drink. The second is that "you cannot fix stupid", which means those of you who refuse to participate and actively try to inhibit the programs to protect everyone from the spread and creation of variants cannot be "fixed" and will continue to do so. If it were not for those people there would not have been the larger need for the kits, so thanks for killing off more of your fellow citizens and maybe even yourselves.
     
  6. NOT WOKE

    NOT WOKE Well-Known Member

    All excuses Jr. BTW, Ive been vaccinated 3 times but it still shouldn't be mandaded by anyone. Its an individual choice. Hang in there snowflake; this too will pass.
     
  7. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    Just like all of the other mandated vaccines? Why is this one a "personal choice" because fools tried to politicize it?

    https://immunize.nc.gov/schools/k-12.htm

    North Carolina Vaccine-Specific Requirements
    The North Carolina General Statutes (G.S. 130A-152(a)) require immunizations for every child present in this state. Every parent, guardian or person in loco parentis is responsible for ensuring that their child(ren) receive required immunizations. If you have specific questions regarding your child, please contact your child's health care provider or your local health department. North Carolina requires the following immunizations:

    Diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis

    Five doses (DTaP). Three doses by age seven months and two booster doses, the first by age 19 months and the second on or after the fourth birthday and before entering school for the first time. If the fourth dose was administered on or after the fourth birthday, the fifth dose is not required.

    A booster dose of tetanus/diphtheria/pertussis (Tdap) vaccine is required for individuals who have not previously received it and are entering the seventh grade or by 12 years of age, whichever comes first.

    Individuals entering college or university for the first time on or after July 1, 2008 must have had three doses of tetanus/diphtheria toxoid; one of which must be tetanus/diphtheria/pertussis.

    Polio

    Four doses. Two doses by five months of age, a third dose by 19 months of age and a booster dose on or after the fourth birthday and before entering school for the first time. If the third dose was administered on or after the fourth birthday, the fourth dose is not required if the third dose was given at least six months after the second dose.

    Measles

    Two doses at least 28 days apart. One dose on or after 12 months of age and before 16 months of age, and a second dose before entering school for the first time. The requirement for a second dose does not apply to individuals who entered school, college or university for the first time before July 1, 1994.

    A person who has been diagnosed prior to January 1, 1994 by a physician (or designee such as a nurse practitioner or physician’s assistant) as having measles (rubeola) or an individual who has been documented by serological testing to have a protective antibody titer against measles is not required to receive measles vaccine. Individuals born before 1957 are not required to receive measles vaccine except in measles outbreak situations.

    Mumps

    Two doses. One dose on or after 12 months of age and before age 16 months, and a second dose before entering school, college or university for the first time.

    A physician's diagnosis is not acceptable for mumps disease(s). Individuals must be immunized or have laboratory confirmation of disease or have been documented by serological testing to have a protective antibody against mumps. Individuals born before 1957 are not required to receive the mumps vaccine. Individuals that entered the first grade for the first time before July 1, 1987 or college or university before July 1, 1994 are not required to receive the vaccine. Individuals that entered school, college, or university before July 1, 2008 are not required to receive the second dose of mumps vaccine.

    Rubella

    One dose on or after 12 months of age and before 16 months of age.

    A physician's diagnosis is not acceptable for rubella disease(s). Individuals must be immunized or have laboratory confirmation of rubella disease or have been documented by serological testing to have a protective antibody titer against rubella. Any individual who has attained his or her fiftieth birthday is not required to receive rubella vaccine except in outbreak situations. Any individual who entered college or university after his or her thirtieth birthday and before February 1, 1989 is not required to receive rubella vaccine except in outbreak situations.

    Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)

    Three doses of HbOC or PRP-T, or two doses of PRP-OMP before age seven months and a booster dose of any type on or after age 12 months and by age 16 months.

    Individuals who receive the first dose of Hib on or after seven months of age and before 12 months of age are required to have two doses of HbOC, PRP-T or PRP-OMP and a booster dose on or after 12 months of age and by 16 months of age. Individuals who receive the first dose of Hib on or after 12 months of age and before 15 months of age are required to have only two doses of HbOC, PRP-T or PRP-OMG and a booster dose two months later. Individuals who receive the first dose of Hib vaccine on or after 15 months of age are required to have only one dose of any of the Hib conjugate vaccines. Individuals who have passed their fifth birthday are not required to be vaccinated against Hib.

    Hepatitis B

    Three doses. One dose by three months of age, second dose by five months of age and a third dose by 19 months of age. The last dose of hepatitis B vaccine series shall not be administered prior to 24 weeks of age.

    Individuals born before July 1, 1994 are not required to receive the hepatitis B vaccine.

    Varicella

    Two doses administered at least 28 days apart. One dose on or after 12 months of age and before age 19 months, and a second dose before entering school for the first time.

    An individual with laboratory confirmation of varicella disease immunity or has been documented by serological testing to have a protective antibody titer against varicella is not required to receive varicella vaccine. An individual who has documentation from a physician, nurse practitioner, or physician's assistant verifying history of varicella disease is not required to receive varicella vaccine. The documentation shall include the name of the individual with a history of varicella disease, the approximate date or age of infection, and a health care provider signature. Individuals born before April 1, 2001 are not required to receive varicella vaccine. The requirement for the second dose of varicella vaccine shall not apply to individuals who enter Kindergarten or first grade for the first time before July 1, 2015.

    Pneumococcal
    Four doses. Three doses by age seven months and a booster dose at 12 through 15 months of age. Individuals who receive the first dose of pneumococcal conjugate vaccine on or after seven months of age and before 12 months of age are required to have two doses at least four weeks apart; and a booster dose at 12 through 15 months of age. Individuals who receive the first dose on or after 12 months of age and before 24 months of age are required to have two doses at least eight weeks apart to complete the series. Individuals who receive the first dose on or after 24 months of age and before five years are required to have one dose to complete the series.

    No individual who has passed his or her fifth birthday shall be required to be vaccinated against pneumococcal disease. Individuals born before July 1, 2015 are not required to receive pneumococcal conjugate vaccine.

    Meningococcal
    Two doses. One dose is required for individuals entering the seventh grade or by 12 years of age, whichever comes first, on or after July 1, 2015. A booster dose is required for individuals entering the 12th grade or by 17 years of age, whichever comes first. Individuals who entered seventh grade before July 1, 2015 are not required to receive the first dose. The booster dose does not apply to individuals who entered the 12th grade before August 1, 2020. If the first dose is administered on or after the 16th birthday, a booster dose is not required. Individuals born before January 1, 2003 shall not be required to receive meningococcal conjugate vaccine.

    Required vs. Recommended
    North Carolina law requires children receive certain vaccines. But in order to be fully protected from vaccine-preventable diseases, children should receive all age-appropriate immunizations.
     
  8. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

    If the vaccine will save everyone, please explain how countries like Denmark where 80%+ are vaccinated and 50%+ have a booster, are still having record number of covid cases and hospitalizations (which lag behind cases) are rising fast?

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  9. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    The vaccines do more to prevent serious illness and death especially with the variants from the areas with lower vaccine rates that create a reservoir of infection which impact the effectiveness for prevention.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/index.html

    Also the hospitalization rate of 716 and none in the ICU for 5.8 million people compared to the hospitalization rate of 3100 with 634 in the ICU for 10.55 million shows how much protection is afforded.
     
  10. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

  11. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    Notice that even with the new Omicron variant, the ICU rate for the UK with about 10 times the population is only about 1.4 times the rate of NC ..... that tells a lot about the efficacy of the vaccines even with the new variant.
     
  12. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/08/cyp...-variant-that-combines-omicron-and-delta.html

    • A researcher in Cyprus has discovered a strain of the coronavirus that combines the delta and omicron variant, Bloomberg News reported Saturday.
    • Leondios Kostrikis, professor of biological sciences at the University of Cyprus, called the strain "deltacron."
    • It's still too early to tell whether there are more cases of the strain or what impacts it could have.
     
  13. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    Omicron: Natural immunity idea ‘not really panning out,’ doctor explains
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    ADRIANA BELMONTE
    January 8, 2022, 11:18 AM

    The Omicron strain of the coronavirus is fueling a rapid surge in confirmed COVID-19 cases — including among vaccinated and even boosted Americans — and a new rise in hospitalizations among unvaccinated Americans is further weakening the notion that natural immunity alone provides adequate protection amid the evolving pandemic.

    “This idea of natural immunity is not really panning out with this virus,” Dr. Hilary Fairbrother, an emergency medicine physician based in Houston, TX, said on Yahoo Finance Live (video above). “I think part of that is because Omicron has so many mutations, and there’s really no way to know what the next variant will have.”

    The U.S. is nearing 60 million confirmed cases and is averaging more than 500,000 new confirmed cases a day over the last week, raising new questions about whether the U.S. will be able to reach herd immunity.

    “I think the problem with herd immunity is that is really taking into account that this virus won’t mutate significantly and we might not have a very significant variant roaming around that has nothing to do with omicron that really doesn’t see any natural immunity from people who have been sick with omicron,” Fairbrother said, adding that "that's kind of what we saw with" previous variants.

    'Next to no immunity' with omicron
    When it comes to natural immunity, relying on prior natural infection over vaccination can come at a cost — and it doesn't seem to work currently given the evasive capabilities of Omicron.

    Millions of Americans are suffering from long COVID (long-term effects of coronavirus), which can range from mild symptoms like loss of taste and smell to more serious problems like tachycardia and extreme fatigue, and unvaccinated Americans are 20 times as likely to die from the virus.

    “For patients who had alpha or delta [strains of coronavirus], they seem to have next to no immunity when it comes to omicron,” Fairbrother said. “There is some evidence that there’s slightly less severity in disease, and other people have certainly seen patients who are very sick with omicron who have already had COVID. So the best protection that we have is vaccination.”

    Currently, 62.4% of the U.S. population is fully vaccinated, 74% have received at least one dose, and 35.3% of the fully vaccinated have been boosted, according to CDC data.

    'We're in a tough place'
    Natural immunity, like immunity provided by vaccines, also wanes over time.

    That means a person can get reinfected and then spread the virus to others, further endangering those who are immunocompromised or not yet eligible for booster shots, such as children.

    “Unfortunately for children under five, that’s not an option,” Fairbrother said. “So we’re really seeing this younger child group pay the price of continued coronavirus sweeping our country. Such a large volume of cases means that some of those children are going to get very sick and that they’re going to need hospitalization. That’s really tragic.”
    According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, nearly 7.9 million children have tested positive for COVID, with over 325,000 cases for the week ending Dec. 30., a 64% increase from the week prior.

    “Since those children [under 5] aren’t eligible by age to be vaccinated yet, they really have no other protection except for all of us, hopefully protecting ourselves and decreasing the spread of this very contagious disease,” Fairbrother said.

    And aside from protecting children from getting the virus, increasing vaccination uptake also means decreasing the risk of those children spreading it to others in schools, like teachers or other administrative employees.

    “Certainly, I’ve heard of schools having to shut down because there aren’t enough teachers and administrators to keep them open,” Fairbrother said. “So I think we’re in a tough place. And there are some communities that really might have to go to virtual learning, which is terrible for everyone, and I think really should only be used as a last resort option when everything else has failed."

    The “no-brainer” way to prevent this, she said, is to ensure that all students and teachers are masked up in schools. As of September 2021, 17 states mandate masks to be worn in schools while eight states have outright banned school mask mandates.

    “If children aren’t wearing masks and we’re not doing everything with testing that we can do to mitigate any outbreaks that occur within our school systems, I don’t know how we can even expect there to be teachers or other staff to keep schools open, period,” Fairbrother said.

    All things considered, according to Fairbrother, the best protection is to follow the core public health guidelines: get vaccinated, social distance, wash your hands, and wear a mask in public.

    “Then from there, hopefully with the next variant, things will keep being mild,” she said.
     
  14. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

  15. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

    Do as I say, not as I do.


    https://local12.com/news/nation-wor...ecovering-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recovering after testing positive for Covid-19

    The democrat from New York writes the positive test comes despite the fact that she had been fully vaccinated, including a booster shot this fall.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384965/AOC-reveals-COVID-partying-maskless-Miami.html

    AOC reveals she has COVID and is suffering symptoms of virus after partying maskless at Miami drag brunch
     
  16. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    And don't believe the GOP leadership?

    'Welcome to Florida, AOC! We hope you're enjoying a taste of freedom here in the Sunshine State thanks to @RonDeSantisFL's leadership,' the tweet, by the Team DeSantis
     
  17. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

  18. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

    It's also worth noting that only about 30% of NC has had a booster. So while they represent a smaller percentage in the ICU or hospital, there is a smaller pool of people to begin with.
     
  19. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    Why? The smaller pool does not impact the statistics being presented because that figure is below the population percentage you gave.
     
  20. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

    Total Population: 10,500,000
    Vaccinated: 6,642,000
    First of 2 dose: 6,170,000
    Single shot dose: 472,000
    Fully Vaccinated: 5,735,000
    With Booster: 2,693,000
    Unvaccinated: 3,858,000

    https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard/vaccinations

    Percentage of population:
    Fully Vaccinated in hospital with covid-19 - 0.0010%
    Boosted in hospital with covid-19 - 0.0008%
    Unvaccinated in hospital - 0.0040%

    So while there is only 21 boosted in the hospital vs the 58, it actually represents almost the same percentage of the population. 8 thousandths vs 10 thousandths
     

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