Stop Sun-Lan, Stop Ashely Turner, Stop Crossroads Develp.

Exactly, what I have in mind is some kind of planning.

 

From what I hear the JC planning board is trying slow down the growth for exactly the same reasons you all have been discussing, INFRASTRUCTURE! However, without the Commissioners support, the planning board has no power. Let the commissioner of your choice have an earful of what you have been saying, see what their response will be. I almost guarentee if will include some crap about growing the tax base of the county.

 

Are people still like that?

 

in addition to the county commissioners you could pursue the planning board -- either by watching for openings (these positions are appointed but generally they ask for a submission of an application) or by attending its meetings

also keep it in front of the public not just on this forum but through letters to the editor of at least the smithfield hearld, the cleveland post and the clayton news-star ---

of the commissioners, mims and carver have some sympathy for controlled or at least managed growth --

 

Can't think of any. The owner wanted to sell, but couldn't/wouldn't sell to me because I wasn't going to build on the property. He would not have made any less on the property by selling to me.

 

polentardmafia1 wrote:
"cliff that SOUNDS like BS.any hidden reasons behind this?"

Cliff responded, "Can't think of any. The owner wanted to sell, but couldn't/wouldn't sell to me because I wasn't going to build on the property. He would not have made any less on the property by selling to me."

I have to agree with polentardmafia1. Had you been trying to buy the property at a lower price before the purchaser made the offer that was accepted? And then you wanted to meet the offered price. There must have been other information involved. I have lived in the area for 65+ years and it does not work that way around here.

 

You can refuse to sell what you have to anyone. It's kind of shady, but completely legal...

 

All the info is what I gave you. I asked what he was selling for, he told me. I told him I'd buy it. He knew I wanted it to stay undeveloped so he turned me down saying that it was required that I develop it.

You may have lived in the area for 65+ years, but things do change. I haven't lived here nearly that long, but for my whole time here it hasn't worked that they could build houses less than an arm span apart, then they opened Lion's Gate.

 

Speaking of... have y'all noticed the new houses they're building on Old Drug Store road. I swear it looks like you could stick your hand out of your window and touch your neighbors house!

 

"All the info is what I gave you. I asked what he was selling for, he told me. I told him I'd buy it. He knew I wanted it to stay undeveloped so he turned me down saying that it was required that I develop it. "

From what you state it appears the owner had agreed to sell. If he had agreed on the price it was a "done deal". Then you wanted the same deal. It definitely does not work your way if he had an agreed price with the buyer.
Why did he care whether or not the property was developed or not? does he have other adjoining property? If so, if this property is developed it increases the value of his remaining property.

 

It does not sound as though any of it was in writing. Verbal doesn't mean anything when it comes down to brass tacks, it has to be in writing to be a valid, enforcable contract. Shooting the breeze over the fence won't work.

 

Where did you get that from what I said?

No. He was selling, which I already knew. I asked what he wanted for the property, which he told me, I said I would buy it. He did not say he already had a buyer. If he did, he would have told me so (there was no reason not to tell me and then invent some bogus story).

Because it was zoned residential, and was intended for development.

He did at the time. Some of the property was already sold (which is where I got my lot to begin with). In fact he had already sold several lots some one acre (such as both the lot I bought and the one I wanted to buy), some acre and a half, and some two acre (which would have been my lot, if he had sold to me).

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Actually, it's a matter of perspective. I used to live in Cleveland Heights (that's in Ohio) You could borrow a cup of sugar from your next door neighbor and never leave your kitchen. That was convenient. And I'm sure we all saved on heating bills being so close together, all huddled up and cozy.

On the other hand, I can't wait for that by-pass to open!

Snuff

 

"Because it was zoned residential, and was intended for development. "

Clif, all property in the Town of Clayton and Johnston County is zoned. Just because it is zoned residential does not mean the property is intended for development. It means that if the owner does develop the property it has to be developed as residential unless a change is applied for and approved by the applicable commisioners.

 

If the property owner wishes to develop property they can sell it with the stipulaiton that the purchaser must build, just as they may also sell property with the inverse stipulation that it must not be developed. It is part of a civil contract that must be follwed if there is agreement.

 

Well, I thought maybe we could get up a committee of concerned citizens to take our concerns about growth to the county commission and maybe the planning board, but I haven't heard from a single person about it since making my offer. Complaining about it on a forum might make you feel better, but it isn't going to solve the problems. My offer still stands, if anyone is interested, just let me know.

 

Re: Stop Sun-Lan, Stop Ashely Turner, Stop Crossroads Develp

I understand what you're trying to say- I think.........

But, if you want to get anywhere with your argument and you want to be taken seriously, you'll have to correctly spell the names of those you're trying to stop.

It's Son-Lan and Ashley Turner.


That said, I agree that something needs to be done to MANAGE the growth, especially in the Cleveland area. I drive through the 40/42 area at least twice a day on the average day, and it's a perfect example of how unmanaged growth goes awry in JoCo.

I'm a bit tired of all the cookie cutter subdivisions that continue to be built around here- but who is to blame?? Hard to blame the developer- they are just building what will sell. Hard to blame the county- they are just trying to get their fair share of the property-tax pie. Hard to blame the people moving here, it's convenient and alot cheaper than buying anything in Raleigh. But it amazes me that people are happy living in shoebox houses that are all lined up next to each other in the middle of former pasture or crop land with NO trees anywhere!! Even the "luxury" developments are putting 4000 sq ft houses on 1/10 acre lots.... If I spend $300-400k on a house, I want some damn land to go with it!!

Wish I had a magic answer to this situation. We live on my wife's family farm (5 generations) and we are slowly being surrounded by subdivisions. I have agreed in principal with my wife that we will "never" sell the farm for development, but we are realistic about what's going on in this area and we have vaguely discussed what we would do with the farm in a worst case scenario. "Never" doesn't look as far away as it once did.



Rig

 

The issue of stopping or slowing down development in Johnston County is a complex issue. It all boils down to supply and demand. With the increase in population in Johnston County it is going to get worse. Many property owners have no intentions of selling. However there is a price point where property can be bought. Let me explain:
Many farms have been owned by the same family for many years. Example: North Carolina honors families that have owned farms for 100+ years. It's called North Carolina Centry Farm Family. The number of Century Farm Families goes down every year. The reason is that farm land in certain areas (including Johnston County) are more valuable for purposes other than farming. Many families had no intention of selling their farms until someone came along with an offer that seemed to good to turn down. It happened to us. We were a NC Century Farm Family (I have the sign) until an offer came that our family accepted. If that same offer had of been from someone that had no intention of developing the property we would have sold to them. It would not have made a difference. The buyer just offered a price that we felt we could not turn down.
As I have said, I believe that all property (land) can be bought for a price. In some situations the asking price is unrealistic and potential buyers will not agree to pay the price. But at a certain price point the property is for sale.

 

Stopping the growth makes no sense at all. That will only stifle the local economy and cause our values to fall.

Ken is right. The infrastructure won't support new growth. Without more taxes and improvement to the support system the growth problems will only get woorse.

We charge an "impact" fee on all commercial growth, why not do the same on new homes? And don't hide it in the home cost, make it a loan closing line item.

Regulate the cost scale by degree of impact. Single family on a private lot would be minimal and a home in a massive subdivision would be high. That would reduce the mass building yet still allow growth in the county. It would encourage a country style low impact building practice and not the wam bam subdivisions going in now.

I wouldn't buy any of the new tract homes going up around here anyway. Have you seen the quality of workmanship in these homes, it's the pits.

 

First of all, learn to spell. It's Son-Lan, not Sun-Lan.

If you don't like it, move!!!!!

You are complaining and you DO NOT even live in a subdivision. Get a life or just move.