Not the image the Military needs

http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/070118/0205140.html




Craig

 

:shock: :evil: That's horrible.

 

I am sure their mothers would be proud.:cry:

 

Why do you hate the military and America so much?


Sorry, but someone had to say it in memory of that thought process ..... :twisted:

 

Sickos with nothing better to do than pick on a crippled dog. :-(

So pathetic. :evil:


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Actually, I do not think anyone hates the military because of this, but it WAS a common reply to such posts for a long time and my post was a "tribute" in that memory.

 

Actually, I think he was browsing just today, but apparently the new forum software is still over his head. I kind of miss him in a way. :mrgreen:

 

I can't even make myself watch the video. Having a dog that was very obviously beaten right here beside me... it would break my heart to actually see someone being cruel to a dog. :-(

 

hmmm...yes, where is stinger?

 

Who gives a rats butt about a crippled dog in Iraq??????? Do me a favor ... you go stand in front of bullets every day and you ride down a road not knowing if your vehicle will be blown up any minute and then tell me where your mind is.

Listen closely to the end of the video, "Can I kill it?" These soldiers are trianed killing machines. What did you expect? You want these men and women to go kill for you but you want them to be kind to animals in the process? Staying alive in combat takes a weird mindset. Living in fear of death and killing a human will change your life forever. Untill you've done the task, don't judge.

 

ddrdan;

my posting of this link was simply a comment that this is not an image of the American military that favors us. All too common nowdays the media is showing just such videos and stories of what American is doing wrong. There is never enough of the positive being portrayed.


As for your comment about until I've done the task to not judge. Well I'm not judging these guys. But I will state that I joined the military in 1988 and served until 1993. I have served in various countries in the Gulf during Operation Desert Shield, Operation Desert Storm, and Operation Provide Comfort. So you could say that I know alittle about the mindset needed. And I can honestly say that I wouldn't have done this to the animal in question, then or now.


Craig

 

I knew it

The Borg misses it's master. Just don't say his name three times.

 

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Here is a story about a puppy in Iraq, and the Marines who saved him. http://www.rd.com/content/openContent.do?contentId=31022

 

I couldn't even watch it. Let me get a hold of someone (I don't care who they are) messing with ANY animal like that! It's their ____ you know what. :evil:

 

You think maybe he got assimilated? Boy, I miss him, too!

 

:shock:

 

While I appreciate your stand on this, I don't think you quite understand what you're saying here. To be a "trained killing machine" is not to be a mindless automaton, a total 24-7 killer that needs to be harnessed until it can be pointed in the direction of the enemy. While "killing" is part of the training, so is right from wrong. No more than 2 years will go by without some sort of training that pertains specifically to what constitutes "a kill" from "murder". Believe it or not, there is a difference between Mi Lai and Falluja, and the men and women of the U.S Military are trained to know the difference.

But, as the monkey's in the Career Builder ad will show you, there are idiots at every job. The guy that secretly pulls the wings off of flies in the cubicle next to you, would be all about throwing rocks at a crippled dog if his place of work gave him the opportunity. Those people exist, the military doesn't make them, their mommy and daddy do.

That said, the crippled dog I knew was, through extreme perseverance, actually worked through the system and returned to the U.S., where the dangling left front leg he had lived with for 4 months would be taken care of by a veterinarian (something that was in precious short supply in Kuwait). Also, the adopted cat that lived in our camp caught the attention of two such jackasses mentioned above. I don't know what happened that talked them out of any further shenanigan's, but they didn't try messing with her again.

To most normal people, those animals are a reminder, or an extension of home. They were adored, not tortured. Persons acting otherwise reflect poorly on themselves, not the military.

 

Like you'd miss a toothache?:mrgreen:

 

Lester,

Thanks for a cogent post. Those of us who have "lived" it understand exactly where you stand. Obviously, we need no explanation. Those who have not served are simply incapable of truly "knowing" and therefore, by definition, could not comprehend the explanation. This isn't meant as a slam, just a point of view. I can imagine what going through labor would be like. Several Moms can explain it, but I will never "know" what it is, becasue I have no experience doing it, nor will I ever.

I support your thoughts that as soldiers who are deployed, and at risk, we try to humanize our environment, and bring it back to as close as we can to our normal "reality".

Yes, I am a trained soldier, a weapon to be used to protect my nation and the Constitution. I have taken human lives in that role. I am not a murderer, nor am I a sadist, or sicko, just like 99.9% of all military people.

The old saying was that our military reflects contemporary society with its age groups. Without seeing the video, I would imagine that the sadists were no older than 25. I would be surprised of they were over 21 or 22. This is not an indictment of all those under 21 or 22, just that my perception that most of us over the age of 25 exhibit a more mature level of perception of reality and place.

The actions of those in that video suggest deep issues which shoudl be addressed by the military medical community and the chain of command.

There are those who would argue that this behavior can be viewed as a cartharsis.

God bless and protect those who serve.