http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 A Malaysia Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, has crashed in eastern Ukraine, Russian news agency Interfax reported Thursday. Malaysia Airlines confirmed that it lost contact with Flight 17 and that the plane's last known position was over Ukrainian airspace, the airline said on Twitter. The jet is a Boeing 777, according to Interfax. The plane reportedly went down near the border between Russia and Ukraine. "We are aware of reports on MH17. We're gathering more information," Boeing said on Twitter.
Shot down by Russians? Maybe Urkel sent them over the edge with further sanctions. So they showed him.
I have heard the government of the Ukraine is repoting the jet was shot down by a surface to air missle. The pro-Russian troops are being blamed as a result.
Reminds me of the Korean jetliner being shot down in the mid 80s. Reagan addressed the nation that night. Will The King? Or maybe like usual he "didnt know about it."
I suppose it will depend on whether there is evidence of the Soviet military shooting the airliner down as was the case in '83, I think it was.
Still posting while saying nothing? Being able to distinguish between a SA launcher manned and controlled by the Russian military or the pro-Russian forces would be easy to do how? Of course that would require actually saying something other than "nuh-uh" :beathorse:
The U.S. just got approval from the Ukrainian President to send investigators over to the site. Hopefully it has been quarantined, but that's a huge hope. Once we have investigators and the international forces have investigators on the ground we "might" be able to figure out who did this. Might is a huge word in that part of the world. Such a sad thing to happen. My heart goes out to the families of those on that plane. Sherry
Given the area is controlled by the pro-Russian rebels there is very little anyone can do without either the rebels assisting or heavy military intervention, neither of which seems very probable. The rebels have already claimed to have recovered the black boxes and are going to turn them over to the Russian government. If that happens any data contained will be compromised just because of the loss of an independent chain of custody and the potential for manipulation of the records. External data will probably be all that will avoid the contamination concerns.
They don't need the black box to know who shot it down. They WILL identify who shot down the plane and it won't be via a black box. Although its great to know we have a resident expert investigator amongst us here giving us fact based information. Hell your so good who needs any proof.
Not likely. The equipment will be Russian, but it will not be possible to identify who was in control of it at the time of the attack although the most probable case points to the pro-Russian rebels. If Russia defends them there will be nothing much anyone can do to make a positive determination either.
They probably already know where the missile was fired from. It can be possible to know who was in control.
The ability to try to find evidence of the missle itself would require being able to visit the area. Of course, if it is positively identified as an older Russian SA-11 it will not eliminate the rebels or Russian troops. If it is identified as a newer Russian SA-17 it will lessen the chances of the rebels but not eliminate them. The Ukraine forces are not supposed to have any such weapons in their inventory, but with the fighting going on there is always the possibility of a launcher being captured and used. Communications can be used to help identify the control group although reporting of an incident is not evidence of control over the incident either. The radar tracks from the various monitoring sites can help identify a launch area, as can satelitte data, but pinpoining a launcher or unit is not simple, especially with mobile launchers such as this. Russian sources had previously reported the rebels had taken control of a BUK launcher. It was not made clear how that control was established. http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1287030
It can be possible, but the question is whether it is likely to know who was in control. The answer to that is not very. The Russian news indicated the rebels had a launcher but not how they acquired it. This could be a case where Russian troops had control and were told to fire by the rebels, or that rebel troops had control and were told to fire by the rebel command, Russian command, or none above the local unit commander. It could be that a Ukraine government force of ninjas took over the launcher and fired to blame the rebels or Russians or both. Proving anything with the evidence which is generally available is not going to be easy. Of course, the Korean 007 investigation did give evidence of the attack and the level to which the US was able to monitor, which resulted in a serious change by the USSR and mcuh less information for the US. That is often called a Pyrrhic victory.
Every life that was taken is so sad, but to have a group of AIDS scientists and researchers killed aboard that flight is just beyond belief. How horrible. Sherry
