I was Pro-Tazer before seeing this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP_M8s0GFEc&eurl= Between this and a number of recently released videos of the LAPD I wonder if some genius will try and control video phones?
What did you think the Taser did, tickle? I heard the officer tell the student to stand so many times that I stopped counting. What other alternatives do you think there are available to get this student to jail?[/quote]
thats quite a bit severe for not showing your ID... i mean maybe, not showing your ID and having a weapon... but... wtf?
If you are not breaking the law you have nothing to worry about. If you are breaking the law, zap that a$$. You shouldn't be doing stuff to get zapped. Guess you take that risk, better than being shot!!
I still don't think that deserves tazing. I'm fine with the arrest, but the police would have had no problem grabbing him and hurling him down the stairs to their car, the kid wasn't some sort of beastly thing, he was a whiny little hippie.
Man I was laughing watching that one . The idiot got exactly what he was asking for. They told him to get up a zillion times.
What did you see? Twice when he was supposedly being tazed he was being held onto by two other cops. If he was being tazed at those times the two cops would have reacted also.
I don't think so. It is just a longer range stun gun where the current travels between the two electrodes. The distruption is felt over the whole body but the actual path of the current is limited. How stun guns work? Stun gun uses high voltage and low amperage to temporarily disable an attacker for several minutes. Stun gun does not rely on pain for results. The energy stored in stun gun is dumped into the attacker muscles causing them to do a great deal of work rapidly. This rapid work cycle instantly depletes the attacker blood sugar by converting it to lactic acid. In short, he is unable to produce energy for his muscles, and his body is unable to function properly. Stun gun also interrupts the tiny neurological impulses that control and direct voluntary muscle movement. When the attacker neuromuscular system is overwhelmed and controlled by the stun gun he loses his balance. When a stun gun touches both probes against the assailant’s body for ½ second, it will startle the assailant, giving him some pain, muscular contraction and shock. For 1-2 seconds, it will cause muscle spasms and a dazed mental state. For 3-5 seconds, it will cause loss of balance and muscle control, total mental confusion and disorientation, leaving him dazed. Under no conditions can you suffer a charge back to your own body, even if the assailant touches you while you are using a stun gun on him. How Taser work? Upon firing, compressed nitrogen projects two Taser probes 15 feet at a speed of 135 feet per second. An electrical signal transmits throughout the region where the probes make contact with the body or clothing. The result is an instant loss of the attacker’s neuromuscular control and any ability to perform coordinated action. Taser uses an automatic timing mechanism to apply the electric charge. The Taser releases an electric current in a pre-set time sequence (an initial seven seconds followed by several 1.8 second breaks for a total time of about 30 seconds in each cycle). This cycle ensures that the nervous system of the target does not recover instantly to allow him to remove the probes. The follow-on bursts disrupt the process of re-equilibration of the nervous system. While the target is disabled, the user can place the device on the ground and escape.
Wow, I'm amazed at you guys???? You guys are wacko's and lets hope you never become cops. Not because you would do such an act. But, because the tax payers would be picking up the law suit bill for your actions. It is apparent that this student was mentally unstable. They had him by the arms, and he wasn't fighting back. He just would not stand. Drag him to where you had to go. Using your wacko mentality, at the next sit-in protest, we should go tase all the participants till they stand up and leave? PS: Saddam called looking for you 2, he want's his brain back
There is a huge difference in being an idiot and doing a sit-in or whatever the nut was doing. After getting tazed the first couple of times not doing as instructed I think I would have figured out i'd better stand up. Personally, I wouldnt have wasted my 9-volt battery on him. A boot to the head would be so much more efficient. As far as Saddam, I help people all the time. I'm the guy that if you break down on the side of the road, run outta gas, get in an accident, need help, etc. You hope to see me pull up. Now if you run out of gas, I give you some gas, and then you run out again because you are too stupid to stop at the next exit, then you get what you deserve. Just like the guy in the video did. :wink:
read these posts by Wayne and Devilock What i got out of their posts is that its quite possible that after, as you said "the first couple of times" it might become nearly impossible to stand up no matter how much you wanted to. I don't see much movement in him to be honest, for instance when the movement down the stairs began, the only thing that was visible in the area of movement him kicking as he was tased again. Its not like he's avoiding communication either, he's saying he'll leave, and in a situation where emotions are running high like that those words seem to me like a shot at saying "Hey, give me a break for a second, let me recover and I'll walk out with you." This was incredibly insensitive on the part of the police, no way around that whether you think he deserved it or not. I don't think anybody needs to be tased that many times, i really think the cops just completely blew it in this case. they had him limp and on the ground, they could have cuffed him and moved him just like they've cuffed and moved other resistant vagrants before him, but they didn't. they stood over him zapping him repeatedly and saying "more or you'll get tased again" like he was a dog they were training. there were even points in this video where the cops seemed to forget how this technology they've been trained on works; asking him to move less than 30 seconds after the initial tase. It was sickening to me, really. They were far out of hand, i know the crowd wasn't helping that much, they were greatly increasing the intensity of the situation, and the friends shouting directly at the cops helped even less, but the fact still remains that zapping someone down a set of stairs just because they wont stand up (especially when there is a high chance they can't due to previous zaps) thats cruelty you find in very rare places on earth. Definitely not what you'd expect from the LAPD on the UCLA campus. Side note: is that really what the LAPD needed? another brutality inquiry?
Question: How many police officers does it take to remove one person from a building? The only people I saw in that video being disruptive, and boy were they, were the bungling idiot police. They apparently were tortutring that person because they were to lazy to try something more humane, like see if he would leave when he said he would. I thought we defeated the Nazis in WWII. Did I miss something?
I'm sorry? i hate to use these sort of arguments, but where in my post did i suggest that police should be powerless? The taser works in 30 second waves of "holy hell i just shat myself" this thing can take down body builders in their tracks and leave them in a heap on the ground for 30 seconds completely incapacitated excluding the 1.8 second pauses for panting. it can take down drunks who are so far gone they wouldn't realize it was time to die if you put a hole through their head with a howitzer, are you telling me that these cops were in such great danger from a whiny hippie yelling "i have medical problems" that they couldn't use those 30 seconds to get hand & leg cuffs on him to prepare to carry him down the stairs? then you expect me to believe that they thought the best course of action was to stand there over him zapping him over and over and over again while telling him to use the muscles which were beginning (if not already completely useless) to become useless to him? This man wasn't wiggling and throwing himself around violently, he was doing the classic 4 year old trick of "Maybe if i go limp i can stay in the toys-r-us forever." If they were truly foiled and hopeless over that, lets pray the officers in this video don't have kids any time soon.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree, but I know how the Taser works. If someone is resisting arrest, what will they do next? No one knows....That is why you use the Taser until they become compliant. These officers have families and they have the right to go home to them unharmed and injury free. Not to have to risk injury to help please someone's mind because he was a harmless kid that went limp.
It aint that difficult. Waah, Waah, Waah. The guy got exactly what he deserved, end of story. Once I get metal barbs shot into me, I'm gonna decide pretty quickly whether or not my cause is worth getting shocked even before the voltage. After the voltage I doubt I am gonna be screaming at the police "F you!" The guy was intentionally not standing up hence the "F-you! Etc." If he COULDNT stand up he might have tried yelling "I cant stand up, please give me a minute to compose myself! I just shat my pants!" Maybe I am sick, but I did enjoy laughing at his pain
Let's see after the 50 or so "stand up" commands they gave him what makes you think he was going to get up and walk out on his own? Until you've lived the life of a police officer you don't have the right to judge what actions they take unless they are charged with a crime and you are one of the twelve chosen to judge them. From what I saw they did exactly as they are trained.
We'll never know, will we? And that is precisely my point. Tasers and pepper spray were developed so that police could stop an attack without having to use deadly force. It makes no sense and is ineffective to use something like that in this situation. They were using a device designed to incapacitate a person and then ordered him to stand up. I had not seen anything that stupid since I was 12 y.o. delivering newspapers and I saw a woman smacking the h*** out of her child while ordering the child to stop crying. She would wait 2 seconds and, when the crying continued, she smack him again. If they had not had tasers, would they have shot him? And don't give me the holier-than-thou BS about not judging people, like you're not judging the person who was being tased. Yeah, right. BTW, I worked in close custody prisons for 6 years and was a certified corrections officer. I have also worked in mental hospitals with people who were acutely psychotic and unpredictable. A little training in de-escalation techniques can go a long way, if you're not too lazy to use it. Snuff
