Covid 19

Again in your rush to spin you ignore the repeated breaking of the rules by your conservative cohorts, but then again the truth is not something you seem to know in any case.

Some people do not want to have your cohorts idea of a "free for all zone" but your cohorts have consistently brought the pit here in their attempts to divert the discussion as you so often try to do as well.

 

Not the use of initials and code phrases your cohorts used in their attacks on folks? Perhaps you should take a few years and try to get closer to the truth.

Yes, the constant attacks by the conservatives had nothing to do with it at all ... really ... honest....

You should have seen it before you conservatives ran most of the posters off with negative comments and attacks on everyone ..... but then again you would have ignored that too.

 

Well said

 

Lol

 

WHAT ARE PEOPLE GOING TO DO?

 

That’s a good question. They are trying to quickly set up tents and whatnot, to service the Covid patients that will eventually fill up the hospitals, especially in the South where we’re getting hit the hardest right now, but some people will have to go without care altogether as the medical resources begin to run out. Some will need to be airlifted to other hospitals not as impacted, like that little baby girl who was recently airlifted, but others will be out of luck and beyond help. Like everything else, medical resources, including nurses, are finite and can only serve a certain number of infected people at a time.

 

U.S. judge says Florida can't ban cruise ship's 'vaccine passport' program

TOM HALS AND JAN WOLFE
August 9, 2021, 5:24 AM


A U.S. judge has allowed Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Ltd. to demand that passengers show written proof of coronavirus vaccination before they board a ship, dealing a major blow to Florida Governor Ron DeSantis's effort to ban "vaccine passports."

In a preliminary ruling issued on Sunday, U.S. District Judge Kathleen Williams in Miami said Norwegian would likely prevail on its argument that the "vaccine passport" ban, signed into law by DeSantis in May, jeopardizes public health and is an unconstitutional infringement on Norwegian's rights.

The judge blocked DeSantis from enforcing the law against Norwegian, allowing the cruise ship operator to proceed with a plan to resume port activity in Miami on Aug. 15. Violations of the law could have triggered a penalty of $5,000 per passenger, potentially adding up to millions of dollars per cruise.

Raymond Treadwill, a lawyer for DeSantis, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The ruling comes as big business and some government entities are responding to the rapid spread of the Delta variant of the coronavirus with vaccination requirements, prompting legal challenges from vaccine skeptics and civil libertarians.

"We are pleased that Judge Williams saw the facts, the law and the science as we did and granted the Company's motion for preliminary injunction allowing us to operate cruises from Florida with 100% vaccinated guests and crew," the company's executive vice president Daniel S. Farkas said in the statement.

Norwegian has said Florida's law would prevent the company from ensuring at least 95% of passengers were vaccinated so it could comply with health regulations when it conducts its first post-pandemic voyage from Miami on Aug. 15.

DeSantis has become a national figure for opposing pandemic restrictions, even as the Republican governor's state has become a hotbed of infections and hospitalizations have hit record levels.

He has argued that Florida law prevents discrimination and protects privacy by preventing businesses, schools or governments from demanding proof of immunity in return for service.

Norwegian has said the law was not about protecting passengers but scoring political points.

Norwegian is ramping up its return to cruises, which the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) shut down in March 2020 with its "No Sail" order.

In order to sail, Norwegian has attested to the CDC it would confirm that at least 95% of passengers have been vaccinated.

Norwegian said the law violates the company's First Amendment right to interact with customers and does not prevent discrimination because the company would have to segregate and mask passengers who declined to prove they were vaccinated.

The state argued that Norwegian could have opted, as rival cruise operators did, to seek CDC approval through a process of running simulated voyages and applying other COVID-19 protocols such as masking indoors.

 

Not sure if it's been discussed yet (I didn't see it the last few pages), but anybody want to place bets on how many days it is before elementary and middle schools in districts without mask mandates get shut back down due to an avalanche of Delta cases? I am guessing it will take 5 days max before we hear about the first wildfire outbreak in one school, that sends teachers back to the 2020 scenario of having to teach double for no more pay, whereby they have to spend time on lesson plans for both in-person and virtual learning, which ultimately is half as effective for putting in twice the work on both sides..... which all could be avoided with masks.

Of course, all the COVID-deniers who wanted to be back to normal ASAP are now the REASON we are going backward and having to talk about mandates again. I guess they want to still be dealing with COVID in next summer and fall, too. Sounds like a blast to me.

 

Duh, I knew that and forgot about it already. Well that's a school already open year-round I suppose. The ones about to open already know better less than a week later. Bets on!

 

What about Lambda and Delta Plus?


https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2...ovid-variant-detected-san-francisco-bay-area/

New ‘Delta Plus’ COVID Variant Detected In San Francisco Bay Area: ‘It’s At Least As Bad’ As Original

As the Delta variant of the coronavirus fuels an ongoing COVID wave, Bay Area health experts are keeping a close eye on yet another variant: Delta Plus.

“We believe that it’s at least as bad as Delta,” said Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, an infectious disease specialist at the University of California San Francisco.



https://news.yahoo.com/vaccine-resistant-lambda-variant-us-193100413.html

Vaccine-resistant lambda variant is in the US

A new coronavirus mutation known as the lambda variant that is thought to have increased resistance to vaccines has appeared in the United States.

Also known as C.37, the lambda variant was first discovered in Peru in November 2020.


https://news.yahoo.com/gamma-delta-lambda-guide-greek-080000592.html

Gamma, delta, lambda – here’s your guide to the Greek alphabet of the COVID-19 variants

Alpha
First identified in the United Kingdom, and later found in the U.S. in December 2020, alpha is considered a variant of concern by the CDC, which noted it might have increased severity based on hospitalization and fatality rates.

Beta
First identified in South Africa, this was detected in the U.S. at the end of January 2021. This is also considered a variant of concern by the CDC.

Delta
First noted in India before being detected in the U.S. in March 2021, the CDC notes this variant of concern’s increased transmissibility. Researchers are watching the delta variant carefully as it continues to spread.

Dr. Emily Landon, chief health care epidemiologist at the University of Chicago, said recently that the delta variant is “even more contagious than the alpha variant,” but state vaccination efforts should keep spread limited.

Delta plus
What’s been referred to as “delta plus” is getting buzz. This has been reportedly detected in South Korea, India and the United States, and some believe it may be more transmissible than the original delta variant. Experts are watching and waiting, but some note it hasn’t yet gained momentum here. Also known as AY.1, it is included under the World Health Organization’s list of variants of concern.

Gamma
Brazil was the first place this was detected, and it’s also been recorded in Japan. The CDC considers the gamma a variant of concern; it was first detected in the U.S. in January 2021.

Epsilon
Although the Epsilon variant is included on the state health department’s website, a spokeswoman said it would be soon taken off the “variants of concern” list as it is not considered one by the CDC. The CDC lists the Epsilon variant, which includes multiple mutations, as a variant of interest.

Eta
The World Health Organization and CDC defines this as a variant of interest and noted it has been documented in multiple countries.

Iota
The WHO and CDC consider this a variant of interest. It was documented earliest in the U.S.; according to the CDC, the first detection was in New York.

Kappa
This is also a variant of interest according to the WHO and CDC, with its earliest documentation in India in October 2020.

Lambda
Initially spreading in Peru in December 2020, the lambda variant has so far been found in states including Texas and South Carolina. It is considered a variant of interest by the World Health Organization.

 

Most rational people already know that this is, unfortunately, going to be a manureshow for several Southern states in just a matter of days, and the “leadership”, if you can call it that anymore, will have to change its tune. But who knows? The cynical “leadership” in some of these states, can stubbornly cling to their falsehoods and deliberately prolong this pandemic, because there’s nothing like a prolonged pandemic to destabilize an already destabilized country. And that’s where Tucker Carlson and his ilk come into the picture with his current praises of Viktor Orban’s pathetic Hungary where the standard of living is far below the United States, and corruption and wealthy cronyism is rampant. Americans may think that by following Orban’s lead, they’re getting the 1950s back, but it’ll turn out very differently than what is currently being advertised. At this time, as the infection rates climb, we haven’t actually hit the peak with this variant, so it’s probably too soon to tell what the outcome will be. But I don’t think that in March of 2020, any of us could have ever predicted the Covid Alpha deaths of 600,000+ Americans, but maybe Jesse, or Mark can help us understand the loss of life with some of their beloved statistics, after the Delta wave sweeps over the unvaccinated Southern regions to take more lives.

 

Don't worry about it as your "strong" immune system should fight them off ..... the rest of us, however will be getting vaccinations and wearing masks to try to keep the spread and mutations down.

 

to compare previous peaks in Covid (rounded, plus dates of hospitalization followed about a week behind cases peak, and deaths about a week past hospitalization peak, all per cdc web site)
April 2020 cases per day 31,000 , hospitalization 59,000, deaths 2300 /day.
July 2020 cases per day 68,000, hospitalizations 39,000 , deaths 1162/ day
Jan 2021 cases per day 254,000, hospitalizations 121,000, deaths 3600/day
Aug 2021 cases per day 100,000, hospitalization 56,000, deaths 425/day

 

Well, would you look at that. Our sweet, little Cupcake, Jesse is finally getting his sources from reputable news sites, rather than the conspiracy theory claptrap he’s been quoting lately. What an improvement! Since you haven’t bothered to put these quotes into any kind of context, as usual, I imagine that you are trying to say something to the effect of “Well, see…..there’s “variants of concern” everywhere, so why bother to get vaccinated if the original virus keeps mutating? Well, one good reason is that even with this Delta variant, we are finding that our current vaccines are effective in preventing DEATH. There is a minuscule chance of breakthrough infections (0.01%) in vaccinated people, but if these people do become infected, they might just get sick and recover, but they do not die. By extension, logic will tell you that even if other variants do come along, our current vaccine MAY be able to handle these viral variants, just so long as we do not give the MAJOR STRAINS unlimited time to mutate into far deadlier forms. The more people who are vaccinated, then the less likely that we give the major strain that chance.

I have to say that I’m a bit disappointed in the variant information that you have posted today, because missing in this information is your usual “beloved statistics” which would have served you better In your post. You have only mentioned the other variants out there by name, but have failed to produce any statistical comparative data showing whether a strain poses an increased transmission threat.So, it’s really not just the variants themselves to watch, but the particular ones which cause increased transmission rates in the population, making them more conducive to deadlier mutations. If it turns out that we’ve developed a vaccine that protects us from most of the variants, great. But if we allow just ONE MAJOR STRAIN to course its way through our unvaccinated population, and allow that major strain to mutate even further, we are in deep trouble because our current vaccines may eventually become ineffective.

 

I see that our perverse little monkey, Mark, read my other post mocking his posting of death statistics, and just could not resist posting more “death statistics” again, just for “fun”, I suppose. Isn’t that the sweetest thing? Are you having a lot of “fun” today Mark, while unvaccinated Southerners, including more children this time around, are getting infected, and are being hospitalized at record rates? Will you still continue to laugh and chuckle while Southern hospital beds get filled up with Covid patients, some of whom will never return back home to their families? It’s too bad that you’re quoting a comparative statistic right now, which you’re using to minimize, but you really can’t compare this current Delta wave to any of the past waves since it’s just beginning. Maybe you can “whoop it up” next year when this wave is over, and more Delta death information becomes available to you. Won’t that be so much “fun” for you, Mark?

 

I said 4-6 weeks ago that we would have a "Delta 2" etc and it will come to be known as the Deep South variant. With places like MO running to finally get vaccinated after seeing Delta firsthand, plus new workplace/private sector vax requirements building steam, as well as retail stores requiring them of patrons, but balanced out with things like school reopening and many no-mask districts and unvaxed young kids, I feel like this current Delta wave will plateau during August, then spike again within days, then plateau again first half of Sep, and then begin to decline, and then just in time for the holidays, your Deep South variant will rear its head and it will be the deadliest variant yet for the unvaxed. It will be another painful Q4, we will need booster/updated shots, and you will finally see the naysayers begin to get vaxed in higher numbers than we have seen yet.

I'm not a doctor, pathologist, immunologist, or virologist, I've just been around and seen enough to begin to see how this probably plays out.

But I still believe there should not be and will not be mass shutdowns or cancellations. I have said for months that you are going to need a vax card to gain entry to more and more places, and you will see more and more of that. Masks being required at football stadiums, indoor theaters, etc is probably a safe practice for now as well.