First, I enjoy this Forum -- I always look here first -- You guys convinced me I could refill ink (on the old HP black cartridges -- no luck with color). I have an Epson Photo R200 that works fine but I can't deal with the five or six ink cartridges. Yes they are probably more economical but they still run out at the same time. I can't get the hang of refilling on these. My scanner croaked so I bought a cheap HP scanner, copier, printer (with ink included) for what the Epson replacement ink costs. Bottom line - I have a like new Epson that will print on cd's if anyone is interested - MAKE OFFER.