ANOTHER school shooting!

The two shootings in Colorado were adults that didn't belong in the school. So I think that detectors would be a great idea.
Clear book bags, locker checks, two or three officers at each school. Do what needs to be done to keep it safe. This isn't the 80's or 90's anymore. How about LOCK THE DOORS (Cleveland Middle) Teach the kids what to do in a bad situation. You can't stop it all but you can make it danm hard for them. I even vote for uniforms in the school (nothing to do with security)

I have seent the government pay for some pretty stupid shti. Cut out a festival or something. Cut out paying for prisoners to have t.v's and big meals. Lower power bill, more protection in schools. I don't know, we all won't agree on what can be done. This is just an opinion.

Who knows what the answer should be. It's a hard question to answer.
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Yeah, it isn't 1983 anymore but your solutuon sure sounds like 1984, George would be proud of you! Actually you are what he feared.

Ben do you work for the TSA? Some of your solutions are silly enough that you might.

The killers are adults so lets make the kids put their stuff in plastic bags. Come on!

 

It does not have to cost anything or at least not much to make our schools safer. I've know schools that have parent volunteers take shifts at a desk in the main lobby with the purpose of directing visitors to the office to ensure everyone checks in. During that time they are also help teachers but cutting out materials or other such tasks. In most schools it would not be hard to walk by the office unnoticed. The office staff is busy and they cannot watch the door every moment.

One simple, and low cost measure, would be to lock the doors requiring anyone who enter be buzzed in. That, too, would not be fail safe but an additional and easily implemented precaution.

 

What was it that you suggested? Some work places require one to have a clear case(not a danm plastic bag). For the kids doing the shootings. I think the other kids would do just fine, you just don't like the sounds of it. If the kids knew it was for their safety, they would adjust. How else will you know if a gun is in a bookbag? or on a body? For those who say they are being treated like animals. I think there is a tasteful way for this to be done. So, Tell me...

let's hear what you propose. I said it was a hard answer. Do you work at Charlie's chocolate Factory where everything is cartoonish? It's our kids, I would like to see more protection. Instead of downing my idea, let's see what you think.

With all due Respect,
Ben

 

Sorry I was referring to the ones up front in the drop off area. Not the back ones. Even the ones out back should have a lock that when the door shuts, it locks on the outside and not the inside. At which point that class is over, the teacher can direct the children and unlock the door for them to get back in. Or have a teacher in charge to open the door from the inside after class. Now do you understand what I was getting at?

 

Those are generally to ensure the employees are not stealing product with their bags, though. I believe some schools went to mesh backpacks for security for a while, but there seemed to be a problem with that and the popularity of those bags seems to have waned.

I believe the point was made concerning the adults coming form the outside being the cause in most of the recent incidents, which means there are no kids doing the shooting in those cases.

I believe if you look at some of the things the school systems around the country have done for security and the opposition presented by students and even parents in some cases, you will have an answer based on fact rather than assumption.

Or hidden in a hollow section of a book, or books if it is broken down into smaller sub-components.

There is a tasteful way to treat them like animals? :lol: The Colorado school was designed with school security in mind when it was built and still there were several hostages taken and one killed. The loss of life could have been much worse too.

I personally think it is a knee-jerk reaction that will be popular for a short time and then be discarded as more problems occur. The problem is that you cannot make anyone secure without removing all freedom from everyone. Remove the ability to have the guns that make it easier to kill multiple people, remove the ability to travel without checkpoints so the authorities better know who has the need to be in an area, armed guards, high tech monitoring devices, and the like will work too and will be there when you need to see who may be doing something else "wrong" as well. There are monitored security cameras on the streets of one British town that give instructions over loudspeakers atteched to the cameras. That would also help to an extent.

The problem is that no matter what freedoms we give up to "ensure" safety we will still never be safe nor free. We must consider the trade very carefully.

 

I suggest they continue to do much of what they are already doing (although it can always be tightened up).

Control ingress and egress
Adult supervision
More time in classrooms less time in halls
Video monitoring
Barrier control

By the way in my job I am one of the individuals that are responsible for making sure that your Chemical Companies are adequately secure against terrorist actions.

Before I get questions on that, there is only so much I can share, and we can always do better.

 

Ok hi tech monitors instead of metal detectors. Kinda the same thing. I was addressing adults that go in school AND the teenage cases that guns were brought into school. So how would you find that gun, as you said, tucked away in a book?( hi tech monitors can't do that) Our schools were not built like Colorado. As soon as it happens here, and some child gets killed, maybe the state will think about it then. How about locking the doors? (all of them, except the office and main door).How about the schools entrance? Most schools here you can walk right in, pass the office, then precede to a classroom of choice. I propose a glass barrier with a locked door at the entrance, put it just past the office so one may check in. It is way to easy here. I can go to the high school and pass the office, NO PROBLEM, walk around wherever I want to go.


WOW, THAT IS REAL SECURE. Just MY opinion.

 

OMG, there has been ANOTHER school shooting. Just heard it on the news, in Lancaster Cty PA, in a small one room Amish school. A man walked in, ordered some kids out, kept some in, killed 3, then killed himself.

This is just unimaginable and awful.

 

OMG what is wrong with these people!!?? :cry:

 

AP just reported six dead. :cry:

 

Thank God nothing happened, but...

Geez Louise, WHAT is going on?! :shock:

 

This world has gone crazy recently huh Ready?

Makes me want to go pick my kids up from school and just hold them and hug them.

 

CNN just reported that this man that shot the kids in PA left a note that said he was taking revenge for something that happened 20 years ago. :? He also let the males leave and kept the females just like that guy in the Colorado shootings. Sick sick people!

 

I can say that I know WJHS has that guard shack as you drive in...do they ever post anyone there? Could that be made useful? Check id's etc. I am concerned as a mother of a son attending WJHS>

As for my daughter she attends a school about the same size as the Colorado School. I said before that schools one of the schools in their division she has been to Platte Canyon H.S. for athletic events. These mountain schools are now looking actions to take. I can walk freely in and out of my daughter's school. They don't require id checks etc. Because I think they have taken for granted knowing all the parents, and everyone in the community knowing each other. In a town of 3000 people total you know all the high school students and parents. We now have to take action and I am involved in protecting teenagers. I think unfortunately this means checking ids of everyone coming into a school. Patrolling the school grounds, etc.

On the same note I am also encouraging others to do as the family spokesman of the girl who died here in Colorado requested, that is to pass on random acts of kindness and love. I think we all forget to do this. So pass it on...

 

He was a 32yo Milk Truck Driver :shock:

 

On the subject of making bottlenecks to make the schools safer must also consider this will create similar bottlenecks should the children need to move quickly or if there is an attempt to get to someone already in the building. Jails not only work well to keep people in but also to keep people out, as well. The case in Orange County where there was a "drive by" type shooting, they had manned security stations but the security was not armed. Had they been armed they still would have had to be prepared to shoot someone who could drive up, shoot the security guard and proceed on. The more security guards you have the less the chace of them being surprised but nothing will guarantee the safety of anyone in any location.

 

So what do you do... someone with a gun comes into your office or the resturant where you are having lunch or school. If he is within sight, do you run and hope he does not shoot or has bad aim OR do you comply praying he will release you, leave without harming anyone, or give up.

A nightmare is the thought of being some place like WalMart with my children and the store gets robbed. I make the wrong move and my child gets killed or kidnapped.

 

Metal detectors don't look so bad now, huh? I am telling you, WJHS< Cleveland midle, and the elementary. ALL, NOT SAFE. Walk straight in, go anywhere you want. Maybe I will go to the school today and talk with the the head principle. Show him how I can go right on in.


THERE IS NO PROTECTION IN THIS AREA.
OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT SAFE.

Read my post above on this page. I thought they were great ideas. Anyone interested in doing something about it?

Another example, why put a danm guard station up and NOONE IS EVER EVER THERE? The fence is a great idea at WJHS, BUT IT IS NEVER CLOSED.


UGHHHH! *frushtrated* and all you all care about is picking apart my posts. How about OUR KIDS.

Sorry, I feel better now. :? 8)

 

ANd? What is your danm point. I know that they were Amish, it is all over the news. My point is it is something that is spreading. So the Amish don't count, is that what you are saying? So, no electricity, proof that it CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE.

Do you have kids at a school?