anyone heard of Collective Bargaining?

Well, since the taxpayers actually pay for State salaries, I would think we would need to vote to allow any unions in those types of places.

Here are pro's and con's of unions (the biggest thing I see is my taxes going up).

http://labor.about.com/od/unions/a/unionization.htm

 

There is the rub that union leadership never quite explains. If the purpose of unionization is to get better benefits for employees, and those employees are funded by tax revenues, where do the new revenues come from? In NC we need more schools, more prisons, more court rooms, have more medicaid costs, etc......so how are a full host of new benefits funded when the state budget revenues are only increasing by 3-6% a year? Looks like any new personnel benefits will be ate up by new employees in the court systems, schools, corrections, and law enforcement

 

I think you TOTALLY lost it! Please seek Help!

 

do you just not understand what RC wrote, or do you just choose to deny the reality of it? i think it's you who might have inhaled a little too much pipe dope. if a union (of state workers) is allowed to extort more money from the state for the workers, where exactly would that money come from? oh, wait. it says it right there: FROM THE STATE. and where does the state get its money? certainly not from donations from the pipefitters union....

 

Here's a fact from the NC General Assembly research staff in relation to state employees/teachers salaries:

*Each 1% increase in employee benefits cost the State of North Carolina $535 million dollars.


So a 5% increase in salaries/benefits would cost taxpayers over $2 billion. If revenues increase by 5% of the total state budget, on a $20 billion budget that would be $1 billion.

Let's see: $1billion does not even fund a 2% increase in state salaries. Since NC has a constitutional amendment in place that says the State of North Carolina must have a balance budget each fiscal year, don't see where a lot of extra monies will be coming from.

Sorry for letting the facts get in the way of emotions. Guess these are the type of facts that union leaders really don't want employees to understand.

 

I have no idea where those facts came from but I can tell you they should go down the toilet because they are poopy and extremely far fetched. I don't mena to be hard, but there have be raises before and I sure don't think we have ever had that much in the state budget for raises.

 

My bad....typed in the figured for a 5% increase instead of 1%. Let's start over:

http://www.ncleg.net/fiscalresearch/frd_reports/frd_reports_pdfs/overview/Overview_2006.pdf page 318

Every 1% increase in state benefits costs the State of North Carolina $106.89 million. So a 10% increase in benefits would cost $1.0689 billion. Say 50% of that for salary, the rest in retirement and health care and you still only have a 5% raise and an adequate health care plan...doubt that would even begin to start paying for dependent coverage.

Again, what do you want to postpone? Building more prisons? Building more schools? Increasing college enrollment? Hiring more law enforcement/court officials? The revenue comes from taxpayers and I don't think the taxpayers are in the mood to pay over a billion dollars in benefit increases so some state office workers can surf and post on the internet.

When you show taxpayers how you can increase production, then they might be willing to be more generous.

 

even that sounds a bit high but you really scared me before...lol

ok I am not reading all that in the link...
and it costs a load everytime the state does anything...

 

What??? The report is only 321 pages!!! Speed read that baby!!!


Realize to that when that figured is used that is for ALL state employees, teachers, the employer's matching social security, employer's matching retirement, etc.

 

I'm not trying to offend you pep, I just want you to see the other side of the coin. :? I'm not jealous either, I work in the private sector and my employer pays 100% of my insurance, so the only way this affects me is by raising my cost of living.