If you're afraid my business will catch fire, or that my kitchen is too dirty, or whatever else you feel is bad about my business, then STAY AWAY!!! I DON'T WANT YOUR BUSINESS!!!!! If operating a business smoke free is such a good idea, then open one yourself. If it's that huge of a deal, you ought to make millions, or even billions. I have a friend who is alergic to nuts. How about we force all the bakeries and ice cream parlours, and all the restaurants and all the stores to stop selling nuts? That's the idea. Tell them you won't return because you don't like the smoke. Probably that I need to pay the bill, or that my date's hair looks so lovely. Pretty much not care. There are lots of restaurants which are smoke free. Knock yourself out. I would tell you what I think of you, but I'm afraid that the webmaster wouldn't just put me on probation. Get a life and leave the rest of us alone. I do not go into a smoke free restaurant and insist that they accomodate me, how rude of you to think that you are so special that they should accomodate you.
ROFLMFAO - former smoker here - husband still smokes outside & not around the kids. My kids DO NOT stink TYVM. And being a JoCo native you SHOULD know that this state is based upon the production of tobacco so fat chance on NC becoming a smoke free state. Select cities like Cary and Morrisville probably but NOT the whole state. :lol:OMG I agree with Clif... And am woman enough to admit it!!
Quote: Originally Posted by JC-native To all the smokers: When other people are trying to enjoy a big juicy steak, and you're puffing away on a cigarette, what on God's Earth is going through your head? Probably that I need to pay the bill, or that my date's hair looks so lovely. Now that was funny!!! I was thinking something along those lines to.
You do know what a "goal post move" is do you not? I hope so as you just performed a good example of one. Th effects of second hand smoke are immediate and cumulative so there is no way to differentiate as to which of the exposures public or private would be your "proof". Of course, if you look at the data generated it is not hard to see the relationships. Starting with the SG report of last year: http://www.tobacco-facts.info/executivesummary-secondhand-smoke.pdf Major conclusions Page 17 Paragraph 1 Secondhand smoke causes premature death and disease in children and in adults who do not smoke. Paragraph 3 Exposure of adults to secondhand smoke has immediate adverse effects on the cardiovascular system and causes coronary heart disease and lung cancer. Paragraph 4 The scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke. And adding some information from the Lung Assoc. http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422 Secondhand smoke has been classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of cancer in humans (Group A carcinogen).2 Secondhand smoke exposure causes disease and premature death in children and adults who do not smoke. Secondhand smoke contains hundreds of chemicals known to be toxic or carcinogenic, including formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic ammonia and hydrogen cyanide.3 Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 22,700-69,600 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year.4 A study found that nonsmokers exposed to environmental smoke were 25 percent more likely to have coronary heart diseases compared to nonsmokers not exposed to smoke.5 Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke at work are at increased risk for adverse health effects. Levels of ETS in restaurants and bars were found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with smokers and 2 to 6 times higher than in office workplaces.6 It is called doing too many things at one time. Speculative? You provide the numbers of saloons post prohibition andI will provide them for pre-prohibition and let the data speak for itself. It is called history not the repeating of a popular myth. That is supposed to mean what? That only the northerners are arrogant enough to believe they can provide a scientific debate with no evidence other than the popular belief fueled by an anti-government twist, or is it just you? Belief, yes. Fact, NO. You are free to hold whatever belief you wish, regardless of the lack of real evidence, but you cannot call it a fact. Since I did not bring up the subject of Prohibition being a failure to support my claim that smoking legislation would not work, that is a moot point as far as I am concerned. Now if you want to take up the misreprentation of the failure of Prohibition with that uniformed person, you may do so. Which means exactly what? That pollution is harmful from either the combustion of a tobacco product or a petroleum based product? That makes about as much sense as most of the others along this line, which is none. And the same type of exposure outside of the home is not an issue because? You might want to read the information listed above on the subject of level of exposure too. Really? What are the statistics on an individual instance of even DUI reulting in death/injury compared to the stastics on passive smoke exposure. You are again hilding a belief up as fact, which is it not. The effects of an accident are immediate and clear while the effects of passive smoke exposure are not. Just because you do not see the danger does not mean it is not there nor that it is less real. I agree on this. Unless the restaurant has dual air handling capacity and positive pressure ventilation on the non-smoking side, there is no real separation. No, I do not. I know of people who drink but do not smoke, people who smoke but do not drink, people who do neither, and people who do both. There is no causal connection between the smoking and drinking. I would, however, support the ability of a stand alone bar to be either or should they so choose.
While they are at it I hope they ban junk food so I don't have to look at it, smell it and have my health compromised futher by consuming it
Curious that you had to go to an anti-smoking site to get this CDC report. They didn't have that report on the CDC site?
It came up in the search for the SGs report so I used the link. It must have a better PR department or something .... :lol:
BTW, it is the Dept. of Health and Human Services not the Center for Disease Control, I missed that reference until after I responded. The DHHS site only seemed to have the "points" listed and I like to provide as much of the information as possible when possible. The whole report was listed in the PDF format and not the HTML of the DHHS site. See: http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/secondhandsmoke/factsheets/factsheet6.html
Let me know when the coroner or a Forensic Medical Doctor puts on a sheet: Cause of Death: Second Hand Smoke Inhalation. Second hand smoke like global warming is not proven and based more on feel good legislation than cold hard science.
Ken, A quick question. Is smoking permitted around the computes at your work site? Not sure if it's an old myth, but I distinctly recall a college professor of mine who drew a diagram of the diameter of a human hair, and a particle of smoke, which was much smaller. He then said that the much smaller smoke particles can enter into the computer spaces, affect hard drive, etc,..and the word was NEVER smoke near the computers. Granted , it may have been the old used Mauckly and Eckert models with tons of tubes that my school could afford then. Your thoughts?
I know you aren't asking for my thought, but I'll give them anyway. Computers are susceptible to many things, smoke being only one. Other dust can affect them in the same way. Same thing with lungs. Whether it's dust or second hand smoke, it's better to not breath it then to breath it. But we don't ask people to don cleanroom suits to eat at a restaurant.
We were discussing this while at a resturant yesterday. Came to the conclusion that they should do this. 1. all bars can have smoking... if you went to a bar, you should expect this. 2. restaurants have to make a decision, either all No Smoking or all Smoking. Posted on the door. No more either or type seating.... that way I as the consumer make my choice when I walk in. 3. anything connected to our tax dollars, such as schools, courts and government buildings have to be smoke free inside.
Add a "Hear hear" from me. Unfortunately non-smokers think they are special and everyone should accomodate them.
