Covid 19

Discussion in 'Discussion Group' started by Wayne Stollings, Mar 19, 2021.

  1. DWK

    DWK Well-Known Member

    It’s mostly a sense of deep “mistrust”, “pride”, and “cruelty” that is fueling this belief system. I certainly don’t see any Christian love or Christian compassion anywhere in it. All I see are angry, or prideful people who have been given the “freedom” by their “leaders” to express these mostly negative emotions. Fear and anger (resentment) are the two primal emotions which throughout history can be stoked and utilized for gain. And prideful behavior is why you see so many people (there was one on the news a little while ago) refusing the advice of their doctors, who recommended that they get the vaccine, but they instead chose to listen to online monetized, conspiracy sites that tell them otherwise.

    Long ago, I was told by a humble, but very intelligent person, to “never allow yourself to be flattered” by another person. A lot of this disinformation does exactly that. It can create and flatter your worldview, but this worldview is oftentimes very distorted, and does not accurately reflect the real world - especially if you have lived an insular life, and have seen nothing of the country, or the world with your own eyes. Because if you had seen the larger world, you would understand that the world needs less pride, anger, and cruelty, and much greater empathy and compassion more than anything else. At least that’s what Jesus was trying to teach folks, but it seems to have, yet again, fallen on the deafest of ears.
     
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  2. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    It is correct if you are discussing the breakthrough issue in LA County as the title of the graph indicates.

    No, only yours claimed to show a survival rate, so only yours is flawed.

    It still does not make it a correct statistical analysis no matter how you try to spin it. A survival statistic can only include those who have contracted and survived the virus.
     
  3. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    In the interest of education let me give you the correct survivability statistics.

    Out of some ~38,000,000 of the positive cases some ~630,000 people have died in the US. Thus, (630,000 / 38,000,000) * 100 = the percentage deaths, which is ~1.66% Thus 100 - 1.66 = the current survival percentage, which is ~98.34% including those protected by the vaccine. There are ~331,450,000 people currently in the US so the current survival percentage would give a total expected death rate of ~4,870,000 more deaths if all things were to remain equal.
     
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  4. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    Prof Peter Hotez MD PhD
    @PeterHotez

    Replying to
    @PeterHotez
    Today antiscience kills more Americans than global terrorism, cyberattacks, nuclear proliferation. We spend billions of taxpayer dollars to combat or prevent those activities, but nothing to counteract the bad guys generating and promoting antiscience disinformation, why not?

    8:29 AM · Aug 23, 2021
     
  5. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

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    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

  7. Rockyv58

    Rockyv58 Well-Known Member

    You missed Duke Raleigh over on Wake Forest
     
  8. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    The ICUs where the most critical patients need to be is the big problem .....

    https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard/hospitalizations

    297 staffed ICUs available statewide

    https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article253468319.html

    Aug 13, 2021 — ICU capacity at Triangle hospitals is becoming more and more limited as the delta variant continues to spread in North Carolina.
     
  9. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    Actually 18% if you read the article and still within the efficacy percentages given.

    'Breakthrough' infections increasing in NC, but vaccinated people much less likely to be hospitalized, die

    RALEIGH, N.C. — Nearly one-fifth of the coronavirus infections reported in North Carolina during the first half of August were in people already fully vaccinated, according to the state Department of Health and Human Services.

    A weekly report DHHS issued last Thursday states that 18 percent of virus cases reported in the weeks ending Aug. 7 and Aug. 14 were so-called "breakthrough" cases. The report doesn't include any raw numbers, other than to note 22,555 vaccinated North Carolinians have tested positive for coronavirus since Jan. 1.

    A bar graph in the report clearly shows a dramatic jump in breakthrough infections since early July, but it's impossible to determine the magnitude of the increase without the underlying numbers.

    But the 22,555 breakthrough cases this year represents only 4 percent of the state's total caseload since the beginning of January. DHHS spokeswoman Bailey Pennington also said in a recent email to WRAL News that only 12 percent of cases between May 6 – when half of adults statewide had at least one vaccine dose – and Aug. 13 were in people who were fully vaccinated.

    "Although we continue to see stable and highly effective protection against hospitalizations and severe outcomes for people who are fully vaccinated, we are seeing a decrease in vaccine effectiveness against infection with the Delta variant," the DHHS report states.

     
  10. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    Zac Kahler
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    So, I hit my breaking point today. I haven’t posted on Facebook for years, but I really need to say something. I can’t sleep until I do.
    There was a protest outside of my hospital today, with hundreds of people angry at the idea that hospitals might mandate the vaccine for employees, and angry that we are requiring N95’s for those employees who have chosen not to vaccinate (comically, on the invite, the organizers were protesting about the use of N195’s, which if they existed would invent an entirely new NIOSH standard for respirators). There was one lady in scrubs holding a sign with a swastika. There were kids holding misspelled signs their parents had made for them. A lot of people were advocating for Ivermectin, which is not an approved, effective, or safe COVID-19 treatment. Everyone was screaming about the “experimental” vaccine that was fully FDA approved today.

    While this was happening, we were having the worst day I’ve seen in the ER in my career. Our hospital is full. All the hospitals are full. We are full with hundreds of nonvaccinated patients who didn’t listen to the experts, who gleefully discounted scientists and researchers and doctors, and who now have COVID-19, and are shocked – SHOCKED – to find out that it is way worse than they were told it was going to be. All these patients have overwhelmed every last resource that we can scrabble together. They are spilling out of the hospital into every hallway, chair, and stretcher that we can find. Our patient volumes have been almost double what they normally are for weeks. The state of South Carolina reported 55% more COVID+ cases today than any other day in the pandemic so far, eclipsing the worst day of the surge in January.
    Here’s the thing. I understand that some people like to BASE jump off buildings, drive without a seatbelt, or ride motorcycles without a helmet. Not my cup of tea, but at least when you hit the ground, you’re only taking yourself with you. This isn’t the same. Maybe you survive your bout with COVID-19, maybe you don’t. You probably will. But your parents might get it, or your neighbors, or your kids. And one of those people won’t be so lucky.

    And even if none of those people that you personally infected die from coronavirus, some of them might need to be hospitalized, or go to the ER, or go to urgent care. Our hospitals are not built to handle 200% of the normal number of ER visits and hospitalizations. We don’t have the rooms for it, we don’t have the staff for it, and so the entire country’s medical system is shutting down.

    And you rationalize this as an argument about personal responsibility and freedom to choose. Except it’s not, because you’re not harming just yourself and other antivaxxers. You’re killing the kids who can’t yet get vaccinated, and the person rupturing their appendicitis during their wait for an ER bed, and the asthmatic who can’t get a breathing treatment because the respiratory therapist is busy intubating a steady stream of unvaccinated COVID+ patients.

    So maybe tomorrow you’ll have chest pain, and you’ll worry that maybe this is a heart attack, maybe it’s the big one, the one that takes you away from your family forever. And so, you dutifully head over to your local ER, but you realize that there are 60 people ahead of you in line in the waiting room, the wait is 10+ hours long, and there’s one poor beleaguered nurse out front trying desperately to triage all the patients flooding in.

    Or maybe you’re one of those people who doesn’t believe in all this COVID nonsense, but all of a sudden you’ve got a cough and a fever, and every bone in your body feels like it’s breaking from the inside out, and now every single breath is a struggle, and the doctors tell you that you need oxygen and that you’re getting worse, and that you’re about to be quarantined in a hospital room unable to see your family for weeks, and you really might die in this hospital alone, and all of a sudden you realize that your actions have consequences, and you wish you could tell everyone to “take this seriously” now that you know how bad it is. I’ve seen a lot of those people over this last year. They are angry – really angry – that this is not the illness they were told about, that they have been lied to, because COVID couldn’t possibly be that bad. But it is that bad.

    If you are on the fence about getting the vaccine and were waiting for it to come out of EUA status, I understand your fears. Now that the vaccine has been fully approved, please go get vaccinated tomorrow. Don’t wait until next week or next month. We don’t have time for you to wait. A lot of unbelievably intelligent, caring, and empathetic people at the FDA have dedicated their lives’ work to medication and patient safety, and they do not approve medications lightly.

    If you remain proudly and willfully unvaccinated today despite the FDA approval of the vaccine, I don’t have any more emotional bandwidth to spare for you, not after today. I don’t want to hear your conspiracy theories, your anti-science, or your Facebook research. I don’t want to hear about your vitamin cocktail or your horse dewormer mystery cures. I’m just sick of it. I’m sick of the gaslighting, the selfishness, and the demonizing of the people who work tirelessly to keep you safe. I’m sick of the death and the collateral damage from something that is almost entirely preventable at this point. I’m sick of my pregnant wife having to get all three kids off to school without me because I’m logged in to yet another 6 AM disaster surge-planning call.

    So, to each and every one of you people who showed up outside of my hospital today to protest the vaccine, I want you to know that you ruined my day and the day of everyone else in the ER who is working so damn hard to keep you safe. Chant all you want that “the doctors don’t know what they’re talking about”. When you need those same doctors to give you oxygen and medications because you're dying of coronavirus, you know where to find us. We’re right next door to where you parked for your protest.
     
  11. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

    Some hospitals are full, but some others are barely 50%.

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  12. DWK

    DWK Well-Known Member

    This is the worst ABUSE of our health professionals that I have ever seen. It’s past time to start rationing health care resources in some places, and treat only children, breakthrough cases, and others whose surgeries have been deferred because of these selfish and prideful people compromising the health of everyone else.
     
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  13. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

    Per CDC, this is the average across the entire country, in some years without COVID. As you can, on average hospitals are between 65-75% during a non-pandemic. Aside from a few outliers, most hospitals are about 5-10% above what they normally operate at.


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  14. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

    24.9% of doctors and 43.3% of nurses are still not vaccinated. Nobody wants to ask why?

    "Vaccination coverage was highest among physicians and advanced practice providers (75.1%) and lowest among nurses (56.7%) and aides (45.6%)."

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7030a2.htm
     
  15. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    You do know that includes the elective procedures in the prior years? That whole supply and demand thing makes it hard to maintain much of a buffer in staffing, which is where a hospital room becomes care rather than storage.
     
  16. Wayne Stollings

    Wayne Stollings Well-Known Member

    You should read more of the paper, like the sentence you left out of the summary and you would know ....

    Disparities in COVID-19 Vaccination Coverage Among Health Care Personnel Working in Long-Term Care Facilities

    Vaccination coverage among aides was lower in facilities located in zip code areas with higher levels of social vulnerability.

    In March 2021, data from a convenience sample of 300 LTCFs across the United States indicated disparities in HCP COVID-19 vaccination coverage, with a 30 percentage-point difference in coverage between physicians and other advanced practice providers (75.1%) and aides (45.6%). Among aides, lower vaccination coverage was observed in those facilities located in more socially vulnerable zip code areas. Together, these data suggest that vaccination disparities among job categories likely mirror social disparities in general as well as disparities in the surrounding communities. These findings suggest that vaccination promotion and outreach efforts focused on socially vulnerable and marginalized groups and communities could help address inequities (4).

    One concern is that nurses and aides in this sample, who have the most patient contact, had the lowest vaccination coverage. COVID-19 outbreaks have occurred in LTCFs in which residents were highly vaccinated, but transmission occurred through unvaccinated staff members (5). This finding also has equity implications: national data indicated that aides in nursing homes are disproportionately women and members of racial and ethnic minority groups, with median hourly wages of $13–$15 per hour¶¶ (6); aides are also more likely to have underlying conditions that put them at risk for adverse outcomes from COVID-19 (7). As vaccination was made available on site and lower vaccination rates reflected higher declination rates, vaccine hesitancy might have been an important contributor to undervaccination in these facilities.

    The finding that vaccination coverage among aides was lower among those working at LTCFs located in zip code areas with higher social vulnerability is consistent with an earlier analysis of overall county-level vaccination coverage by indices of social vulnerability (3); however, similar patterns among LTCF staff members are notable because on-site vaccination removed a number of barriers to vaccination, including travel, scheduling, and need to take time off from work.


    The findings in this report are subject to at least five limitations. First, facilities included in this analysis had completed a series of optional fields in a voluntary NHSN COVID-19 vaccination module. The 300 facilities presented represent <2% of the >17,000 LTCFs enrolled in NHSN; thus, the findings from this nonprobability–based convenience sample are not generalizable to all LTCFs. Second, LTCFs reported aggregate weekly data, preventing person-level analysis (e.g., by race/ethnicity) and possibly resulting in duplication of reports, if, for example, HCP work at multiple facilities. Third, data on staff member numbers and numbers vaccinated were self-reported by LTCFs and were not independently validated. Fourth, excluding LTCFs reporting zero values might exclude LTCFs with no vaccine coverage (as opposed to nonreporting), thus inflating the estimated vaccination coverage. Finally, this analysis captured vaccination patterns during March 2021, when most facilities had completed on-site vaccination through the federal pharmacy program. Increasing availability and acceptance of COVID-19 vaccinations in subsequent months might have resulted in higher coverage. However, higher staff member turnover in some job categories, including aides, relative to other job categories, might lead to changes in vaccination coverage.

    Low vaccination coverage among LTCF staff members highlights disparities across HCP groups, and in the surrounding communities. Additional efforts are warranted to improve LTCF immunization policies and vaccination practices, build HCP confidence in COVID-19 vaccines, and encourage vaccination among persons who have been economically or socially marginalized. On May 11, 2021 the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) published an interim final rule requiring LTCFs to educate HCP on COVID-19 vaccines, offer vaccination, and report vaccination status to NHSN*** (8). CDC and partners have prepared education and training resources to help educate HCP and promote vaccination coverage among LTCF staff members.††† Finally, LTCFs could consider best practices from influenza campaigns, which found that employer vaccination requirements were associated with the highest vaccination coverage (9).




     
  17. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

    So basically we are saying because they are poor they are stupid?


    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/25/cdc-pandemic-limited-data-breakthroughs-506823

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is using outdated and unreliable data on coronavirus breakthrough infections to help make major decisions, such as who gets booster shots, according to three officials with direct knowledge of the situation.

    The agency originally tried to track all infections in vaccinated people, from mild to severe. But in May it decided to focus on the most severe cases, saying that would allow it to better monitor overall conditions and make more informed, targeted policy decisions.
     
  18. BuzzMyMonkey

    BuzzMyMonkey Well-Known Member

    ACW “thinks” that anyone not in lock step with himself are stupid.
     
  19. DWK

    DWK Well-Known Member

    Well now, Jesse. This has got to be the FIRST TIME that I’ve ever seen you show ANY REGARD whatsoever for human beings on here, other than turning them into a numerical statistic. And definitely, it’s the first time that you’ve ever defended “poor people”. Remember a few months back, when you were BRAGGING and GLOATING about how you could afford to dine out so often ( 6 or 7 times a week) because of your big, high-tech salary, and to heck with people who couldn’t afford to do so? Oh, I remember that, and you didn’t seem to be at all “concerned” with “the poor” back then!
     
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  20. BuzzMyMonkey

    BuzzMyMonkey Well-Known Member

    Here we go with the hypocritical inflated liar who has went down this road falsely claiming crap that ain’t true. You’re a nothing more than a disgusting piece of cow crap.
     

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