Covid 19

End result.

 

Looks like you’re trying to distract everybody away from the fact that Jesse has just said that he was a Libertarian and wasn’t so keen on Trump? Where does that leave you now, Buzz?

 

Just because you disagree with how someone acts personally, doesn't mean you are against him professionally. Prior to covid, we had the best economy we have had in a generation at least.

Since someone is no longer president, maybe they should follow in the footsteps of their predecessors and keep to themselves for the most part.

 

Black dresses are the best. You can “dress them up”, or “dress them down”. I think I’ve dressed you down more times than I can count.

 

LOFL. Keep believing your lies.

 

You were born in 1982 weren’t you? So, you have no actual memory, or basis of comparison, prior to say, 2000 when you may have become more consciously aware of the country? Do you honestly believe that the “Trump years” were some of the “best”, economic years in this country?

 

You didn’t post any definitions of “conservatism”. You said that you aligned your political beliefs with “liberalism” and “libertarianism”. Trump is neither of those things:

 

Again.

 

Poor Buzz is just so threatened by the truth. Bless his heart.

 

Actually I have had a paying job and paying taxes since 1992, so thank you. I was a member of student goverment in college since 2000 and followed politics since the early days of Clinton, who I happen to think did a pretty good job running the country.

So my 30 years of following politics and since that is the larger definition of a generation, I would say I am covered there.

Just before Covid, the unemployment rate in the country was the lowest it has been since at least the early 80s.



Stock market was also the highest it had ever been by a long shot.



US Exports were at the highest.

 

Your lies and lack of comprehension doesn’t threaten me one iota. As usual you’re cluelessly lost and delusional.

 

So that means that you do not have any personal memories of the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, or 1980s - and you were in college in the 2000s. All of the graphs that you posted here show no real information for the years prior to 1984. The “Betterment” (WHOSE “betterment”?) chart showing “increased stock market participation” begins in 2000, and doesn’t account for the fact that more than HALF of Americans do not invest in the stock market, and have no access to it in the form of 401k plans etc. And as we all know, much of the gains went to the investment class over the years in that graph. Participation in the stock market on Wall Street has little to do with what happens on Main Street, unless a crash occurs and the workers dependent on corporations for their livelihood suffer job losses when the economy contracts. I think that this was proven to be true during the last crash of 2008, with laid-off workers suffering the most through it, while the banks and investors got bailed out, and recouped their losses.

So, stock market gains, are not an actual indicator of how the economy works for most average Americans. The pandemic last year made that fact crystal clear as we saw average American workers struggle, while the stock market climbed. So, in other words, if your early memories of the US as an adult, are limited to only the 1990s, you will have little basis for historical comparison to how the country actually lived and functioned prior to the 1990s. I suppose in that case, you would have to rely on questionable graphs like these, which don’t tell the comprehensive story, that many of us older folks certainly remember.

 

Do you ever stop being such a condescending think they know it all Harridan ??

 

If you don’t have any real knowledge about the country that you live in, then put on your apron, and go bake a cake. There’s an excellent chocolate cake recipe on the other thread for the intellectually challenged and perennially threatened.

 

I said the best economy in a generation, a generation is 20-30 years. 1984 would be 37 years. That's almost 2 generations depending on how you define it.

 

No, this is not the “best economy” in a generation, because the cumulative losses of the middle, and lower classes have been on a slow, but sure, decline for longer than that. There have been losses in reliable and stable jobs, losses in healthcare and retirement benefits, and losses of whole American industries destroyed through NAFTA (no thanks to your hero, Bill Clinton). And just because you went back to college in 2000, and got your degree, and are now in the stable tech sector, does not mean that every American has benefited, especially rural Americans who live far away from educational opportunities and tech hubs where many of the good jobs now are. In fact, many Americans are more insecure now in this precarious “gig economy” than at any other time, besides the Great Depression.

Dave Ramsey has said that almost “70% of Americans are up to their eyeballs in serious debt”, a figure that was unheard of in prior years. Add increased rent and housing costs, where the average American home now costs $350k, and “gains in the stock market” tells nothing of the real story of middle and lower class decline. But memory does tell that story well. For instance, in the late 70s and 80s I lived in some very beautiful cities, while today these same cities have huge homeless and mentally ill populations living in crowded tent cities. Where did THOUSANDS of these people come from, that weren’t there 30 or 40 years ago? Bad policies, especially the discontinuation of many necessary public services, in favor of expensive privatization services, is mainly to blame, since there are no longer public institutions, funded through taxpayer dollars, available to serve these people. So, now they’re out on the street to fend for themselves. And any person out there with experience and a long memory, will tell you the same thing, and we don’t need a stock market “betterment” investment chart, or an “employment graph” from 1984 to do that. We’ve already experienced the adverse changes in this country firsthand, and know exactly what went wrong over the years. But you wouldn’t know that, because you didn’t live it. You only know this current brutal, “dog-eat-dog” America, and it is far from the country it once was. So spare me your fake “concern” with the poor, while you talk about gains in the stock market, and how “great” everything is for you.

 

Before the market crash in 1929 we had a pretty good economy too .... the key is BEFORE the problem that was not addressed.

 

And the TRENDS were different from the prior administrations upon which the economy is built in what manner?