flyers about dress codes at cleveland middle school

I agree on uniforms....if there are gang issues in the schools in JC, then the administrators need to communicate this with the parents.

Sex ed is being taught in schools...just yesterday my 12 yo came home and told me what they learned about oral sex and how gay people have sex, STD's and AIDs..and how aids is passed between people and the implications of the disease...we had already touched on some of this stuff at home..but it was a help to me to have it discussed again and reinforced the importance of you discussing this stuff with your children and not letting them hear about it only from school.

 

I am glad to hear it Southern. Hubby is still not allowed to teach it at the high school level. He was told not to address questions from the students but to direct them to their parents. My 13 yr didn't get that talk last year in JC. We have sat down and spoke to our son, and he received more sex-ed this past year up north.

The gang issue was addressed in JC. The Raliegh police came here and had a town hall stlye meeting. I believe it was right before school started this year.

This is why your children are not allowed to wear those flip flops, sunglasses on the head, and colored shoelaces,etc. The gangs are using these types of clothes to identify themselves to other gang members.

 

Just my 2 cents. For the most part I don't have a problem with the dress code at the schools. Only time I had a little issue with it is when my son was told his shirts couldn't be longer than his belt or waist (sorry can't remember exactly which it was now), and ALL his shirts were a tad long because his grandmothers and myself buy them a little big so he can wear them longer. That kinda ticked me off because the school doesn't have to buy the clothes when he grows out of them, so if I choose to buy them a little bigger, they will just have to deal with that.

Zappa, I have heard about all these different things symbolizing gangs, so that I can understand. It's got to be difficult for the schools to have to keep 'banning' certain seemingly innocent things because of this.

 

These days too many parents let their kids pick out their clothes.If the parents stepped up and buy the right clothes ,this discussin would not even be here. GO BUY YOUR KIDS CLOTHES YOURSELF. What kills me is when you see a 10 yr old wearing pants with HOTTIE on their ass. I know these 10 - 14 year olds don't buy their own clothes....so blame the PARENTS. If you know your kid is more "developed" than they should be, then make them cover it up. IT ALL GOES BACK TO THE PARENTS!!

 

Amen...I agree 100%

 

Not picking on Zappa or anyone else on here, and I haven't any children in school.

What do you think is going to happen when everybody goes to uniforms? Do you think that will halt the gangs? The Klan used to use the three finger symbol to identify each other. What about the secret handshake?

Next we will not allow them to part their hair on the right side because someone heard it was a gang marking.

P.S. I part mine down the middle with a wide part. I am an affiliate of the old fart's gang.

 

I agree! I went to buy my then 7 yr old daughter some shorts last year and I couldn't believe how SHORT they were! There is no way my little girl is going to wear shorts that barely cover her! And some of the tops these days! Oy!

 

1. My child wears a t-shirt everyday with the name of the university he plans to attend or his favorite bands. He likes it. It doesn't interfere with his learning. And it's cheaper than uniforms.

2. He selects the shorts we buy. He happens to like a particular brand that we can always get at a good sale price which is cheaper than uniform pants.

3. Uniforms are unAmerican. The American Spirit is rooted in rugged individualism and uniforms undermine that. (okay, that's a stretch)

4. Uniformity limits creativity. Without a creative thought process we continue to produce the same old same old and growth is stymied.

5. Hitler Youth wore uniforms. Mao youth wore uniforms. The Klan wore uniforms. Gangs wear uniforms. Members were not encouraged to think for themselves (very dangerous if we expect good citizens in a democracy, however works well in authoritarian regimes.

8. My son needs to learn there are kids who have more than him and some that have less than him. This is reality and the adult world we have created works that way.

9. The desire to do better is the foundation of capitalism. If other kids have more, that can be a motivator (can be demotivator, too).

10. 9 years as a public school teacher and I have no recollections of fighting over clothes. I can recall an incident or two of teasing, but that might have been because of dirty, soiled clothing and lack of hygiene. Uniforms will not solve that.

11. Hught's point. There will be some way for gang members, or more likely, gang imitators to do their thing.

12. Learners do better when in a comfortable environment. Uniforms will assuredly detract from this.

13. If you think uniforms will restrict lustful thoughts, you are fooling yourself. The private school teen sex rates are similar to public school teen sex rates. We weren't allowed to wear shorts to school and I can vouch for my fair share of lustful thinking despite not seeing the legs or cleavage.

14. Of course there are some businesses that require uniforms, but I work in an environment that has a restrictive dress code, which I can live with. I would not be happy if I had to wear a uniform everyday (I did at Burger King when I was younger and I'll pass).

15. Should we do this in the workplace because the person in accounting wears a Ralph Lauren every day?

I think a more valuable parenting lesson would be to teach children this:

You can't always judge a book by its cover. Don't look at the situation and assume you know the entire story. Johnny's family might eat at home every night so they can get him the Rainbows because wearing rainbows is more important than eating overpriced restaurant food and knocking back a couple of $4 microbrews with supper. Or maybe if Billy's dad didn't buy a case o' beer every week at the Wilco, Billy could get the $15 tshirt instead of the $5 tshirt. IF parent did that, then children could grow up to be adults who look at the entire picture before making bad decisions based on snap judgements. This would do wonders for our workforce, political leaders, everybody.

See, I told you I didn't want to get involved in this.

 

I agree with you mordor... up until your last paragraph of the beer comments. Some people are poor just because they are poor...not because of drinking. But I got your point. Other than that... 100%!!! :wink:

 

I work for a company that has a dress code that is as follows;

Production employees will wear the company uniform provided to them by the company (eg. button up short sleeved shirt with company name and logo and jeans); Floor managers will wear polo/golf type shirts and some form of docker style of pants (neither provided by the company); front office will dress according to floor manager requirements or more formal. No open toed or slip on type shoes allowed anywhere outside of the front office. With myself being the one lone standout from the floor managers in the company in that I can wear the dockers style pants or jeans while having to wear the polo/golf style shirt.


I knew the dress code before I started working and it hasn't bothered me at all, because no matter what I wear it has no affect on how I do my job or the ability I have to do my job.

I knew that when I joined the military out of high school that there was a dress code, didn't bother me. I knew that when I went to work for the state as a prison guard that there was a dress code. My previous job as a warehouse manager didn't have a dress code (atleast for the company I was working for). My point is that I have been able to do my job and in some cases excel at what I do, and it didn't matter one hill of beans as to wheither or not I had a uniform to wear. But that is from an adult perspective, a child has more peer pressure to fit in with a certain group, and if you limit them to a certain style of "school uniform" then they are less likely to worry about that and spend more time learning so that they can better themselves as adults.

You might even have the next Versace or Dolce & Gabana sitting in your class that might be inspired by the requirement to wear school uniforms.



Craig

 

It's strange, really, that those who are against school uniforms point out (usually erroneously) all the bad people who supposedly wear uniforms.

They often forget that most private schools, including (but not limited to) parochial schools and military academies require school uniforms. None of these stifle creativity. Indeed many of our greatest scholars and engineers went to said schools.

In short, there is no proof that the uniform requirement limits creativity (except, maybe, in fashion schools).

 

Yet, strangely, you offer no proof that uniforms don't stifle creativity. My point is made on the following assertion. Over the past several decades, nations where school children wear uniforms have routinely surpassed American students on standardized tests, yet American students surpass those countries in creativity measures.

Sorry, don't have the study. Just remember it from school.

You boys do realize there is a connection between the words "uniform" and "uniformity." Right?

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Man, you are confusing me. Is it about being happy or learning?

You're kidding me right?

You missed the point. I'm saying a feeling of inadequacy can be a motivator for achievement. You know, that American Dream thing, wanting to do better, etc.

I couldn't disagree more. This position alone puts more stress on kids incapable of handling it than any clothing Gap (pun intended).

Missed the point again. How do you know the clothes I buy my son aren't always cheaper? In fact they are.

 

Hmmm... How to prove that something doesn't exist? Sorry, but you can't prove a negative.

Let's see, you chide me for lack of proof that something doesn't exist, now you tell me that you don't have proof for your claim.

So, here's the real deal. Unless you can offer some proof that school uniforms stifle creativity, you're just blowing smoke.

 

They discussed this with a room full of 12 year olds?? SB, what grade is your daughter in?

 

:shock: Why do children need to know how gay people have sex?????

 

That's what I want to know. :?

 

Probably the same reason they learn about heterosexual sex.

 

Why ask here? Why not ask the school?

 

7th grade...

 

Well, she's in a higher grade than I would have thought. I was comparing her to MM's age.

Still, even in sex ed, aren't there some things they aren't allowed to discuss? I really thought sex ed was more of the medial side, the actual mechanics of it, and pregnancy and disease prevention.