How much difference would those 7 minutes have made? Would we have OBL captured now? Would less people have died? Explain how you think those 7 minutes would have made a difference. Specifically, explain what action/decision you think he should have been making during those 7 minutes and how it would have made a difference.
Apparently you did not see the video, where he said that George Bush used to live in the state of Texas, but now lives in the state of denial, then went on with the education remark. It's not necessary to repeat the name in every sentence to make it clear from the context who you are talking about.
In those seven minutes Bush was supposed to run to a phone booth, put on his superman costume, fly to the World Trade Center, and become a human shield. He should have been catching people as they fell, etc.
No, he should have excused himself from the classroom and stepped outside to confer with his staff. I assume someone there had a cell phone.
Actually, in public speaking, it is. He may have been talking about President bush in the prior paragraph, however... ...he then moved on to an entirely unrelated topic - addressing the students directly, talking about their actions involving their education. In fact, he essentially CLOSED the topic of President Bush by saying: "We're here to talk about education".... ...and he then moved into his verbiage directed to students. The topic of the President was over at that point, as far as his listeners were concerned. He said nothing to indicate he was "bridging" the topic of President Bush with his verbiage aimed directly to the students regarding what they did with their educational opportunities. There is no tie from one topic to another. Without that all important bridge they are two different topics to the listener. Anyone who knows anything about public speaking knows that you don't attempt to connect topics without building the bridge. Of course there is also Kerry's history of disparaging those in service. He is known for his tendency to put his foot in his mouth by disparaging soldiers and then trying to back peddle when called on it. He isn't fooling anyone.
Its amazing to me how alike the National Democrats are to the State Republicans in North Carolina. Whenever they could speak with a united voice, work together, and maybe get ahead of the other side, they say or do something to shoot themselves in the foot. I've seen the clip, and I'll take Kerry's word he was trying to joke. It was just a stupid joke at best and certainly shouldn't have been attempted by his party's last presidential candidate a week before the election where his party has a chance to take over Congress. On the State level, the GOP should be running away with Legislative races across the state will all the corruption coming out of the Jim Black-controlled State House. Instead, the State GOP as usual couldn't agree on which days of the week in a "y", much less come up with a way to exploit the Jim Black scandals.
Kerry may be an idiot, but he told the truth. Yes you have some college grads in Iraq, but you and I both know it's the uneducated really fighting the war. You can sit there all day long with your illusion that all those troops are highly educated individuals, but when it comes down to it their majority is exactly what Kerry stated. If the truth ruins your conception of "What Is" than reality is your only option. I too am a veteran and Kerry hit my circumstance right on the button with his comment. I grew up in an all black ghetto neighborhood during the late 60's racial riots. I was an average student with a draft notice lying on the kitchen table with no chance of scholarships or a deferment. My Mom, in her infamous humor, said, "In the neighborhood crowd your a single star in a dark night sky. That letter is an opportunity, use it." I took that chance on death for education. My country paid me back by revoking half of the benefits promised in my contract. And a President just like Bush did the deed. My hope for those fighting, under a similar circumstance, is they have a better leader if and when they come home.
I served in the USMC from 1984 to 1988. No war time, but I still served. And as far as I can remember, you had to have atleast graduated high school and have a diploma to enter. AND as I recall, the ASVAB test was NOT a "cinch" or "easy" or a "piece of cake" or a "breeze". So people doing the fighting ARE educated. They HAVE to be. I'd like some of these critics out in the world of our military try it themselves.....especially these book smart ones that think they rule the world already. I never went to college. But that does not mean I am uneducated and that is why I went into the service. The military DOES teach the members you know. And I learned more in 4 years of the military then I could have EVER learned in a college. I'm not bashing college, don't get me wrong, I think it is awesome and I hope my kids go. But I don't think that saying uneducated people are fighting in the military is right either. As far as I see it personally, John Kerry just knocked a BIG HOLE in his run for the presidency if he decides to do so. Also, whoever the president is, he needs to have a wife who has some kind of grace and character. I don't care a hoot what anyone says, Jacqueline Kennedy was THEE best model for all women who have husbands in politics. John Kerry's wife, in my opinion of course, had none of this. Oh, she had character alright, but not the kind a first lady should have. Whether or not people think so, the first Lady's role and conduct is VERY important to how a candidate for president is looked at as well as after if he is elected..............Sorry, but it's true!
Ok, got tired of reading the typical blah, blah, blah. So, if I'm repeating something that someone else said, excuse me. Kerry said, "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." So, if Mr. Bush is a 'C' student who got into university through his family connections, rather than hard work, how can Mr. Kerry be talking about Mr. Bush? Mr. Kerry has been trying to write this misstatement off as a failed joke. But, as with all humour, you can read a lot into someone's psyche by the words they use. Anyone who is or was in the military, and doesn't take Mr. Kerry's words as an offense, is lying to themselves and is strictly partisan in their beliefs.
That's exactly the point -- Bush is intellectually lazy, went into Iraq without the proper planning, and got stuck in a quagmire.
Don't Wake the Ents Ha ha! What you seem to forget that your own Monkey God is so politically 'radioactive' that he's practically GLOWING with all of the stray neutrinos shooting out of his simian butt. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15506389/ Excerpt: Republican candidates have welcomed the president in their districts to help raise money for their campaigns, but they have run from him in their television ads. According to officials at the Republican House and Senate campaign committees, just one GOP candidate is using the president in a television commercial, LaVar Christensen in Utah's 2nd District. ...and speaking of John Kerry, he hardly has anything to apologize for: http://www.johnkerry.com/news/releases/release.html?id=34 Excerpt: I'm sick and tired of a bunch of despicable Republicans who will not debate real policy, who won't take responsibility for their own mistakes, standing up and trying to make other people the butt of those mistakes. I'm sick and tired of a whole bunch of Republican attacks, most of which come from people who never wore the uniform and never had the courage to stand up and go to war themselves. "What are YOU looking at?" Well, we're going to have a real debate in this country about this policy. The bottom line is: These Republicans want to distort this policy. And, this time, it won't work because we are going to stay in their face with the truth. They have a stand-still-and-lose policy in Iraq and they have a cut-and-run policy in Afghanistan. And the fact is, our troops, who have served heroically, who deserve better, deserve leadership that is up to their sacrifice, period. To use a reference mordorboy might appreciate, the ENTS HAVE AWOKEN, and they don't like the bullcrap fertilizer the GOP has been force-feeding them for the last six years. I can show you over TWENTY EIGHT HUNDRED flag-draped coffins that have come home from Iraq. What can you...or ANY Republican show ME to prove that these lives were worth losing? When you can HONESTLY answer THAT question, we'll talk a bit more about 'apologizing to the troops'. :x
I think we should just crucify John Kerry for screwing up a joke. After all, our President is so articulate with the English language.
Re: Don't Wake the Ents So basically, in a nutshell, it's Mr. Bush's fault that Mr. Kerry insulted the military.
Just answer the damn question Clif, the question was... What can you...or ANY Republican show ME to prove that these lives were worth losing? Answer it, or don't answer it. I really don't care. Your silence alone speaks volumes. ...but I'm not playing the 'Distraction Game' anymore.
Nothing. You are talking about personal choices. You either see the reasons or you don't. During the last election, the majority saw the reasons. Whether or not they think we have lost focus remains to be seen, but no one can prove that these lives were worth losing to someone who has his mind locked up tighter than fort knox about the issue.
Re: Just answer the damn question You must care, or you wouldn't have addressed it. Very well, how about THIS:
Re: Just answer the damn question Are you saying the reason we went into Iraq was to get revenge for Kurds and Shi'a who "disappeared" 15 to 20 years ago or more? And that's worth 2800 American lives and counting? What about all those Latin Americans who "disappeared" under those "moderately repressive regimes" that our government liked so well during the 1980's, should we send troops to get revenge for them, too?
No Wonder They Hate Us. The question was open to ANY Republican. You're not that special. Sorry, but Reality doesn't agree with you. The Bush Administration kept claiming that that Saddam was 'evil' because he killed 300,000 Iraqis over the span of 24 years. But since the 'evil' Saddam was overthrown... http://tinyurl.com/qgtny Excerpt: A team of American and Iraqi epidemiologists estimates that 655,000 more people have died in Iraq since coalition forces arrived in March 2003 than would have died if the invasion had not occurred. The estimate, produced by interviewing residents during a random sampling of households throughout the country, is far higher than ones produced by other groups, including Iraq's government. Ronald Waldman, an epidemiologist at Columbia University who worked at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for many years, called the survey method "tried and true," and added that "this is the best estimate of mortality we have." This viewed was echoed by Sarah Leah Whitson, an official of Human Rights Watch in New York, who said, "We have no reason to question the findings or the accuracy" of the survey. There ya go, Clif... In just THREE YEARS, we've managed to make Saddam look like a 'piker', and more than DOUBLED his 24-year body count. The policies of President Bush have DESTROYED the country of Iraq, DESTROYED any chance of building a peaceful society there, DESTROYED our reputation throughout the world, and DESTROYED the lives of thousands of honorable servicemen and women. ...but Kerry's joke...aimed at President Bush... fell flat, and your side just can't wait to remind us all how John Kerry doesn't tell a joke as well as Robin Williams does. ...as if that really mattered at all. :roll:
Re: Just answer the damn question There were five reasons we went into Iraq. Stopping the torture and killing was only one of the five reasons. You know, I keep hearing about "We went in there for the oil". And you bring up an interesting point. I've always said, if opil was all we wanted, why Iraq? Why not Venezuela? They have as much, if not more, oil. Thier military is smaller. And their human rights attrocities are just as monsterous. Be that as it may, though, I'm all for going into every country one at a time and kicking butt and helping the oppressed. For those who hate Mr. Bush, though, it will always be, why this place and not that place. If we had gone into North Korea, the libs would be screaming, "Why didn't we go into Iraq instead?"
