Parks and Rec

Discussion in 'Discussion Group' started by jesse82nc, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. cynadon

    cynadon Well-Known Member

    the park will pass with overwhelming support. One sh@t at the time
  2. Harvey

    Harvey Well-Known Member

    Another meeting tonight at Cleveland FD 7-9 pm.
  3. DWK

    DWK Well-Known Member

    I'm definitely dropping by there tonight to listen to the presentation. Hopefully everyone there tonight will try to maintain a civil tone and be open to at least hearing about the benefits of a community park.
    Should be interesting......
  4. Harvey

    Harvey Well-Known Member

    Probably too late, but there is no formal presentation. You can discuss the project with representatives and look at maps.
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  5. DWK

    DWK Well-Known Member

    The meeting was informal - not what I expected - but it was altogether very civil. I spoke at length to a few representatives and discovered that if the park is approved it would be built in stages, probably over a 15 year period. The rendering that was on display looked a little heavy on sports fields, but they said that the presented plan was a just a concept, and could be adjusted according to the needs of the community. I was also told that the parcel that the park would be built on is around 81 acres, so that's a fairly good size for a community park. I was also told that the impetus for the park had a lot to do with the new substation being built which would naturally decrease interest in any homes built on that particular parcel, being so close to the substation. I also noticed that there was a plan for a community center, but the purpose of that building, and which population it would serve, was not addressed. Someone mentioned it would be similar to the Clayton Community Center. Of course, there were people there that expressed opposition to the park, but when I mentioned that their taxes would likely increase, regardless of whether a park is built or not, they seemed to understand that we may as well get something for our tax dollars.
  6. Rockyv58

    Rockyv58 Well-Known Member

    One thing I had suggested was where the location of the 'dog park' they had. It was out in full sun. All the dog parks I have been to have trees. My suggestion was the wooded area between the two storm drain run offs be thinned out a bit and put the dog park there. This way they would have more room for basketball courts or something else. And who the heck plays pickle ball? I'd love to see some horse shoe pits. They could be used for bocce ball
  7. poppin cork

    poppin cork Well-Known Member

    Dude. You can play horseshoes in the back yard. Not much space needd.. I'm sure the can fit a couple of pits in.
  8. Harvey

    Harvey Well-Known Member

    Not sure if this statement is correct. This specific endeavor will mean taxes go up, but specifically for the park. While taxes can go up for a number of reasons (legislation, property revaluation, etc.) this specific tax is tied to the park. If it does not pass, the tax does not get levied.
  9. poppin cork

    poppin cork Well-Known Member

    Correct. That seems to be a misleading statement.
  10. JenniferK

    JenniferK Well-Known Member

    I'm still undecided.

    If this passes, it will likely be governed by a parks and rec board, which the county commissioners will appoint. It won't be municipal, meaning that in theory, it has the ability to become run by the "good ole boys" network. That's one of my first concerns.

    Secondly, while I'm all for parks and rec, and even not disgusted with paying a little for it, I think we are putting the cart before the horse.

    Whether we like it or not, Clayton is creeping in on Cleveland, and if this area doesn't do something to corner itself away, we will likely eventually be annexed into Clayton.

    We need to incorporate. It's been a good 12-15 years since there was any real community discussion about it, and I think instead of building an extensive parks and rec department, which is only going to cause more eventual growth and influx of people, we need to define who we are as a community.
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  11. cynadon

    cynadon Well-Known Member

  12. cynadon

    cynadon Well-Known Member

    as per paragraph

    1 yes
    2 probably
    3 maybe
    4 not likely unless you close
    5 No. unless you want to stop future development

    "we been dealing with this for more than 15 or 20 years. Why you want to stop it now?"?
  13. JenniferK

    JenniferK Well-Known Member

    Future development? Good grief, where else are we going to develop? There are houses going up at an alarming rate already. A family on Cleveland School Rd might lose 2 of their homes to make room for another exit ramp.

    I get it, we all, or most of us, moved here from somewhere. But at some point, you have to govern yourself and take the hit on development, or you lose the power to let the community make it's own decisions.
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  14. poppin cork

    poppin cork Well-Known Member

    I doubt the commissioners will appoint the board. And, the good ole boys network ran things a lot better and smoother than the present(email me only) CCC directors.

    How so. Maybe this a step will bring us closer to incorporating.
    I think you'll see a lot of kicking and screaming before that happens.

    we are a bedroom community of Raleigh. the Park is not for future growth but it is for our current citizens. Why don't you feel the citizens of Mclemore fire district deserve this amenity.
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  15. DWK

    DWK Well-Known Member

    I was referring to overall property valuations increasing in the future, even without the park being built. The point being - which maybe wasn't as clear as it could have been - is that Cleveland will rapidly be transforming from a rural location to a dense suburb, which means that our property valuations and corresponding property taxes will likely increase regardless.I mentioned this because there seemed to be a lot of people at the meeting last night who have lived here for a while and cannot wrap their minds around the fact that Cleveland will be changing drastically, and there's no way to stop the growth. I had the strong feeling last night that some people believe that opposing the park will somehow stop the growth, but of course, it won't.
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2018
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  16. JenniferK

    JenniferK Well-Known Member


    At the interest meeting, I specifically asked about how the Parks and Rec board would be appointed or elected, and a chamber member told me they would be appointed by the county commissioners. So take that for whatever you think its worth.

    I'm sure the good ole boys have done a fine job, but if you're really interested in preserving the community and embracing the people who've made it home over the last 20 years, you have to give them a chance to play too.

    I don't think this will bring us any closer to incorporation, at least not anytime soon.

    And it's not that I don't think the citizens of this area shouldn't have an amenity, I am just concerned about the entire process. It's a beautiful layout and an awesome thought. However, I've seen the GCAA fields garner money from this community for years and never really see any "real" improvement. Why not start there? Why not improve those fields, add some walking trails and a playground? I'm sure that the owners of the batting cages would love to unload that land, or at least I hope they would. Currently the only revenue is the rent from the church and Pelicans.

    I didn't say I was against it, I just said I was unconvinced. I was also somewhat disappointed that there was not a formal presentation with a Q&A at the interest meeting. It was simply photos of what they wanted to do, with Chamber members available to mingle and meet and greet.
  17. Harvey

    Harvey Well-Known Member

    I thought so, but thanks for the clarification. And I agree with your statement. Some people think opposing any community/government action will stop growth. Nope, not at all. Growth will only continue and it will not be controlled with the best interest of the community in mind, just the developers.
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  18. lgb0250

    lgb0250 Well-Known Member

    Feb 5, 6:00pm County Board Meeting will address this issue.

    “Representatives from the Cleveland Community would like to update the Board regarding citizen feedback from recent community meetings concerning a proposed parks and recreation district and request the Board to approve them moving forward with appropriate legislation.”
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2018
  19. ROUTER

    ROUTER Well-Known Member

    This may have already been discussed here, but is this the same piece of land that was going to be donated to the county before? Also, where is it? Is it central to those who will pay for it? I have no idea where this thing is located, and with it being a 15 year project I would be surprised if we are not incorporated before it is complete. Would we then be paying county property tax, city property tax, and a parks and rec property tax?
  20. jesse82nc

    jesse82nc Well-Known Member

    approximate location just south of Cleveland Fire Station


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