Police stopping for license checks on Raleigh Road

My demonstration was peaceful, and respectful as I think everyone should be. As I stated, the cop lied to the judge. The judge knew he had nothing he could legally prove, so he "did me a favor" and sent me to the 2 classes. Most of the judges and cops are "in bed together" in Emporia BTW. I have the utmost respect for LEOs, some of my best friends are RPD, Wake Deputies, etc. And they tend to agree with me.

Just because you have a gun and a badge, doesnt mean I am gonna bow down and let you walk all over me. The job doesnt make them above the law, they are supposed to enforce it, not play it fast and loose, etc. Any good cop will tell you that the ones that "go home and polish their badges every night", are "dirty", burnt out, etc are giving hard working officers a bad rep.

The rare times I've needed to do it, and when its called for, I happen to believe in civil disobedience. Yes I do "walk the walk" when I have to. Hopefully I am protecting the public at large in the long run. ( I do feel sorry for the guy/gal behind me when I get them worked up tho)

 

Seriously! They may just get out and kick your butt for making the wait so much longer :lol:

 

I always get a chuckle out of that. I have often said the only time you need a license is when they ask for it.

 

Maybe the answer here would be to outlaw Alcohol altogether. Even though it NEVER will happen, the Facts are that people do drive under the influence of both Alcohol and Drugs and that the odds of someone being seriously hurt or killed are vastly increased due to impared operation of a motor vehicle. I used to drink and quit cold turkey in 2004 and do not miss drinking at all. However, I have seen many instances since then where people gather to "Have a Good Time" and are drinking and to be honest, some of these people do act like fools once they start drinking. Not to mention the issues of violence which also are related to Drugs and Alcohol. The laws are supposed to be set up to punish these people who violate the law but there are many who wish to skirt the law and drive drunk or under the influence. The families of drunk driving victims would all agree that sobreity(sp) checkpoints are a much needed tool for Law Enforcement to try to cut down on the # of fatalities, and in Johnston County there have been a very high number of fatal wrecks which have been well publicized recently. For the inconveience that a checkpoint causes the lawful driver, I personally think it's a very good trade off to be in a line at a checkpoint and not be in a wrecked vehicle or worse. I agree that your vehicle is a private place, but when operated on a public road, The law MUST apply to everyone. If I am wrong then I am wrong but thats my opinion(sp).

 

I have to agree with Cliff, et al., on the check points being a violation of the civil rights of the individual. Just as the warrantless wiretaps of American citizens under the guise of security were violations. The defense is always either "if you are not breaking the law you should not have anything to worry about" or "it is better for (insert noun) so the violation is 'worth it' to us".

Everyone has a different level of acceptance for trading rights for the perception of security and this is the perfect case.

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Benjamin Franklin

Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security.
Benjamin Franklin

 

Yes, I do. I have no excuse at all.

No, you did not say anyone was bad but implied that some people who have Posted are some people who have not or will not take appropriate actions to complain to the right people and some have even tried to change some of these laws by other means. Maybe you just did not know that. I only know some on this Forum but they and others have shown great strength in trying to change our system or work within it and I admire them for it. Sometimes I wish I had their courage on things.

On that I agree. Many, many people Posting on this Thread have attended and voiced concerns both on here and at School Board Meetings. Others do it in their own way.

I know you did not question the patriotism, I stated they are very patriotic or something like that. I think you are a patriot as I do others and never meant that to come across as me thinking you were questioning others' patriotism.

I do each and every day tell people to stand up for what they believe in as long as it is within the law. You are very correct that, I of all people, believe in this. I believe a person really should put complaints on these subjects into an action of working within the system but changing injustices when seen. All I am saying is that I think a whole bunch of other people on this Forum believe that same way and follow through on it. I have actually seen it happen.

Sorry for any misunderstanding,
Sherry

P.S. Power to the people. :grouphug:

 

Nope, you have missed many more that you might consider the same. :jester:

Sherry :mrgreen:

 

I agree with you. My brother was killed by a drunk driver, he was 39. I was hit head on by a drunk driver who turned out not to have a license (?) or insurance.

 

You know what I respect you now with that post more than I ever have. You play your part well on here and realize how a post comes off. That's one thing we have in common. Every post we make we fully stand behind.


BTW, staying with the thread topic, if the law enforcement license checks invade our privacy, where has the outcry been for the past century? The police checks/road blocks have been used since the days of the 1920's gangsters. Am I wrong?

 

No, I didn't know it and I'm glad you let me know. It may not necessarily have been the people posting on this thread because I'm sure they would have told me so that I'd shut up and I commend those that are trying to do something. I know I get worked up because I can't wrap my head around the idea that a person would rather do away with these checkpoints on principle when it's my opinion that it's a great service to the community. But like always, people are entitled to feel the way they want whether I don't agree or understand it.

 

On that we certainly agree.

I really do admire how you stand up for what you believe in.

Sherry

 

A lot of people make this comparison but it's really apples and oranges. The expectation of privacy as ruled by the supreme court is much higher in your home then it is on the roadway. For instance, if I see something illegal in the window of your home, I must have a search warrant before I can come in and seize it or arrest you. However, if you have a crack pipe sitting on your dash, I have probable cause not only to place you under arrest for it, but also to search the entire vehicle. Since you're on a public roadway in a car that is mostly in plain view, MANY lower courts AND the supreme court have ruled that the expectation of privacy in a motor vehicle on the highway or even in a parking lot is much less than in your private home. Hence the reason I say that you're comparing apples and oranges.

Keep in mind as well that when you obtain your driver's license, you give implied consent to such activity. If you sign the paper, you don't have a choice given that you're on a public highway.

Another reason why your comparison is apples and oranges is because you committing a crime in your home such as smoking pot causes no danger to anyone but yourself. However, driving while impaired, reckless driving and other offenses not only cause a danger to you but to others near you. Big difference.

I'm not saying that you don't have the right to disagree with the process. I'm just trying to shed some light as to what you're trying to argue. I don't feel that your argument is valid using this particular comparison.

 

It's clear that you haven't read any of the supreme court cases on this, nor do you really know your rights. If you had, you would know that you do not need a warrant or probable cause when conducting a checking station within the guidelines that have been set.

 

Seems to me the only folks that should be concerned about checkpoints, are those breaking the law.

 

The guy in the video is a moron, and really doesn't know what he's talking about. Apparently, he hasn't read any case law at all. Are you being detained? The answer is a resounding yes.

Go ahead and give it a try at the next checkpoint you see. You may find yourself in front of the magistrate a short time later. Especially if you don't produce your driver's license when asked given that you must do so by law. We must identify you in some manner. If you're cooperative and do as asked, you will drive on your merry way as long as you have been positively identified. If you obstruct an officer who's discharging their duty, you can be charged and carried before the magistrate. So before you stick out your chest and start thumping, you should think about the consequences.

 

I think I'm in love...:lol::cheers: (Now you all know I'm biased and no this is not my husband.) :jester:

 

seabee just slit his wrists........:lol:

 

he wore a uniform once. I always have room in my heart for the guys in uniform :jester:

 

I wore a Wal-Mart smock back in my youth..........:lol:

 

You have got to be kidding me. This observation may have been about as accurate as your (5 State Police) observation made on US70.

Yeah, that's why we stop people. NOT :roll:

I wouldn't have been thrilled about your little comment either because no matter how clueless it might be, it's insulting as well.

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