This should make your blood boil

Just to clarify, you think only 3% of the Mexican people in this state are legal?


3%?

.3 of 10?

Seriously?

You don't think that's even a little bit absurd?

Really?

 

Usted tan inteligente!

 

Then tell me how did they become legal? Someone, Anyone.

The Mexican-American legal population from California, Texas, and all the rest of the border states did not move here to get low paying service jobs. The illegals came here to get a drivers license and stayed around to take the service jobs for a NC economy that was booming at one time.

 

Some of them used the process by which many other immigrants did, they were naturalized. Some have work visas, which are legal. Others were born here so they were not immigrants but are of Hispanic descent.

 

WAIT WAIT WAIT, WAYNE. Are you telling me that we LET these people come in to our country LEGALLY!?

YOU'VE GOT TO BE FREAKING KIDDING ME! MY BLOOD REALLY IS A-BOILIN NOW!

 

After skimming this thread I will put in my two cents.

I am an illegalist but not a racist. I blame our govt - federal, state, and local. And I blame the employers who knowingly hire and exploit them. That said - if I lived in a cardboard shack and could come over here and live like a queen by my home-country standards, have my kids in shoes and in school, with medical care and food in their tummies I would do it in a heartbeat.

 

You might take a history lesson or two, the use of migrant workers using work visas, which are legal, has been going on in the state for decades. The military is also one of the employers that attracts non-citizens from south of the border.

 

http://migration.ucdavis.edu/mn/more.php?id=1093_0_2_0

Tobacco. The Virginia Agricultural Growers Association imported 2,603 Mexican workers to harvest tobacco under the H-2A program. The H-2A program requires that US employers offer to US workers, and pay to foreign workers, an Adverse Effect Wage Rate of $5.80 per hour in 1996 in Virginia. The H-2A program also requires US farm employers to provide free housing to workers and to pay the workers' round trip transportation. Farmers have to guarantee workers employment for at least 75 percent of a 44-hour work week, or 33 hours. H-2A tobacco workers in Virginia earn about $3,000 a summer, and $5,500 if they stay for six months.

H-2A tobacco workers are recruited in Mexico by Del-Al Associates of San Antonio, Texas. The Mexicans obtain visas to enter the US at the American consulate in Monterrey. Mexican H-2A tobacco workers pay $30 to the local recruiter who found them, and $125 to Del-Al Associates, which includes $44 for the US visa and an $81 recruitment fee. There is reportedly a blacklist that can get Mexican workers excluded from participation in the H-2A program.

Mexican workers are also recruited under the nonfarm H-2B program to work in the Virginia and North Carolina crab meat industry. In 1996, eight Virginia crabmeat processors hired 143 Mexicans under the H-2B program and 27 North Carolina seafood houses got Department of Labor approval to hire 1,685 H-2B Mexican workers.

 

Dang, somebody take these boys a ruler and get it over with:jester:

 

I think we've already established that rulers would be over-kill. :jester:

 

Wayne, seriously, the following is a lot like yelling louder at someone that doesn't understand English, hoping that the louder they get the chances increase that the message gets through. Usually it just gets the yellie more confused and flustered and the yeller laryngitis!

 

I had hoped he was just skimming thepost and not really reading so the large print might actually catch the understanding. I suppose it is a moot point for a couple of days at least now.

 

In any case it IS common knowledge that if you speakly loudly and slowly enough anyone can understand English .... :mrgreen:

 

More Numbers

The Face of North Carolina Latinos

North Carolina has the fastest growing Latino population in the country.

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According to the US Census,

1. The Latino population in North Carolina has grown 394%, from 76,726 in 1990 to 378,963 in 2000.
2. Latinos now make up 4.7% of the North Carolina population in comparison to 1.04% in 1990. 3. Other sources estimate the population to be even larger, with numbers closer to 530,328 in 2002.

Full story: http://vivirlatino.com/2008/05/06/the-face-of-north-carolina-latinos.php
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Ten Reasons Why Mexicans have captured America

Anyone looking at present day Los Angeles, San Francisco, Phoenix,
Houston, Albuquerque, Chicago and New York City - cannot help but see and
hear that Americans have lost America. Americans surrendered their language
and culture to Mexicans streaming across their borders like a "human
Katrina."

Manuel Alderete, Mexican Movement member, Los Angeles, CA, Occupied
Anahuac-emailed my office a disconcerting letter titled: "Ten Reasons Why
Mexicans Have Already Won; and you Americans have lost."

Anybody out there in America that could refute this man's arrogance,
his certitude, his braggadocio? Frankly, I agree with him.
Below, you may plug into the ten reasons he provided for America
being overtaken by Mexicans.

1) Births fueling Mexican population in U.S.
(border is now irrelevant)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-06-29-hispanics_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

Alderete chortles his glee with the fact that 400,000 mostly Mexican
illegal alien mothers birth their prized "anchor babies" within the USA
annually. Over 1.1 million illegal alien Mexicans migrate across U.S.
borders annually. Another 1.2 million legal immigrants pour into America
annually. Their presence fundamentally changes America's language and
culture backward toward third world conditions, i.e., crime, squalor,
educational chaos, health breakdown, hopelessness, and loss of quality of
life. If you look at France, Holland or Great Britain, the same phenomenon
occurs before their eyes. Muslim immigrants expect to overtake and become
the dominant ethnic group and language within 40 years. France and the
French people simply gave away their country, their language and culture.
Ditto England, Holland, Belgium and Denmark.

2) Obama favors amnesty (or some version thereof).
(Alderete wrote this list prior to the election)

Alderete knows that Obama voted to double legal immigration from 1.2
million annually to 2.4 million in June 2007. Obama voted for amnesty and
chain migration, which would dump 70 million third world immigrants into this
country in 30 years. Now, he enjoys the presidency to make it happen.
Unfortunately, he fails to understand the ENORMOUS impact on our environment
and quality of life. What term comes to mind? Utterly unsustainable and
devastating for starters!

3) The 14th Amendment (instant amnesty)
Alderete said, "Yes, I know...it wasn't "intended" to apply to
Mexican migrants. And neither was the US Constitution intended to apply to
Black people."
However, that interpretation of the amendment creates a disastrous
impact on our hospitals, schools and prisons. Averaging 400,000 births a
year X's $7,000.00 a birth, plus K-12 education at $7,000.00 per child per
year, plus free breakfasts and lunches-yields billions of taxpayer dollars
funneled into people with no rights to be within our country-their presence
continues to thwart our laws.

4) Whites will lose majority status by 2042
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121867492705539109.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Alderete said, "That means you, Frosty!"
He seemed to take great glee, in a racist overtone, that Americans
will become the new minority in this country. Black and white Americans will
become the new minority in the face of this immigration dilemma.

5) 1 out of 5 U.S. schoolchildren is a Mexican
http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/861668.html
Thus, as you look at the academic chaos created, you now understand
why cities like LA, Chicago, Detroit, Houston and other educational systems
suffer 50, 60, 70 percent flunk out and dropout rates. Those children
originate from Mexico and other third world countries where average
education stops at sixth grade. Those children and their parents do not
enjoy a cultural propensity for higher education. Thus, we devolve our
educational systems and degrade our 'national intelligence quotient' by the
millions every year.

6) 25% of children born in U.S. are Mexican
http://www.modbee.com/opinion/national/story/306123.html
Alderete gleefully imagines Mexico taking over via the penis over
the sword! He's right! Mexico cannot conquer us with an army, but they can
out populate us, and they will! However, like most third world thinking,
they will be caught up in the same kind of misery gripping Mexico today with
our loss of our ability to feed, water and house our citizens. Look for
massive poverty growing throughout America.

7) Jim Gilchrist surrenders, border groups in disarray ("We've lost
the battle.")
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=193340
Whether we have lost or not remains to be seen. At any moment, the
American people might wake up to their impending doom-and take action to
shut down all immigration into this country. Help those Mexicans and others
in their own country-to live sustainable and viable lives.

8) Most "Americans" favor current immigration levels
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108748/Fewer-Americans-Favor-Cutting-Back-Immigration.aspx
Most Americans do not understand their predicament of an overloaded,
overpopulated and unsustainable future with current legal and illegal
immigration. Expect 100 million added people in 30 years added to the USA.
Immigration grows our population beyond carrying capacity. Legal immigration
proves as destructive as illegal because both add 2.4 million un-needed
additions to the population load annually. Most Americans do not realize the
gravity of our water, energy, climate change and quality of life issues.

9) Border Patrol arrests are a 90% FAILURE
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,5143,700235030,00.html
Alderete laughs at us for our failure to protect our borders. We
make it easy for him and his countrymen to invade our country. The easiest
enforcement would better be served by arresting employers of illegal aliens.

10) By 2050, Mexican Population to Triple in U.S.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-02-11-population-study_N.htm

Alderete said, "Good luck with your White.....errrr....I mean
"American" (wink wink) revolution."

Alderete reminds me of a class highbrow who can use his brute force
to frighten everyone around him. He doesn't enjoy brain power so he can only
express himself with his 'strength' rather than intellect. He uses his
countrymen by overrunning U.S. borders. He 'takes' without lawful regard.

If Mexico's current misery for its citizens causes them to flee by
the millions, those immigrants provide us with a glimpse of our own future.
Because as already observed in immigrant dominated areas of the USA in 2008,
they recreate their former country within America.

Additionally, Mexico expects to grow from 108 million to 153 million
in the next 40 years. Estimates of their migration numbers run from 12 to 15
million within the U.S. in 2008. That number could rise by as much as 30
million within 40 years. Whether they constitute economic or environmental
refugees, U.S. society will not survive their pressure on infrastructure,
water systems or environment.

Once they dominate our country with their inability to run a
successful society-where will Americans flee to?

 

Mexican Consulate in Raleigh

Now why would need a Mexican consulate in Raleigh? I don't see any other countries having one here. Figure that one out Wayne.

http://portal.sre.gob.mx/raleigh/index.php

 

There's your reason. You won't see it as that, but logically speaking, that is why there is a Mexican consulate in Raleigh.

 

Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals

Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals


Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:32 PM

By: David A. Patten


On Friday, Democrats moved one step closer to giving free health insurance to the nation’s estimated 12 million illegal aliens when they successfully defeated a Republican-backed amendment, offered by Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., that would have prevented illegal aliens from receiving government-subsidized health care under the proposed plan backed by House Democrats and President Barack Obama.
The House Ways and Means Committee nixed the Heller amendment by a 26-to-15 vote along straight party lines, and followed this action by passing the 1,018-page bill early Friday morning by a 23-to-18 margin, with three Democrats voting against the plan.
The Democratic plan will embrace Obama’s vision of bringing free government medical care to more than 45 million uninsured people in America – a significant portion of whom are illegal aliens.
According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, costs under the Obama plan being proposed by the House will saddle citizens with $1.04 trillion in new federal outlays over the next decade.
Congressional Democrats and Obama have argued that their health plan is necessary to contain rising health care costs.
But, last Thursday, CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf testified before the Senate Budget Committee and warned lawmakers that the proposed “legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs."
A key factor increasing costs is that Democratic plan provides for blanket coverage to as much as 15 percent of the U.S. population not currently insured, including illegals.
Democrats had insisted throughout the health-care reform debate that illegals would be ineligible for the so-called public option plan that is to be subsidized by taxpayers.
"We're not going to cover undocumented aliens, undocumented workers," Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, told reporters in May. "That's too politically explosive."
Republicans, however, point out that the Democrats, by refusing to accept the Heller amendment, would deny health agencies from conducting simple database checks to verify citizenship. Many states give illegals driver licenses, which will be sufficient to get free health care under the plan.
Critics also contend that millions of illegals who already have counterfeit Social Security cards or other fraudulent documents. There is no enforcement mechanism in the legislation, experts say, to prevent illegals who use fake IDs to obtain jobs from also obtaining taxpayer-subsidized health insurance.
GOP representatives introduced the amendment to provide a way to weed out non-citizens from the program.
A description of the amendment on Heller's Web site state it would "better screen applicants for subsidized health care to ensure they are actually citizens or otherwise entitled to it."
The Web post added, "The underlying bill is insufficient for the purpose of preventing illegal aliens from accessing the bill’s proposed benefits, as it does not provide mechanisms allowing those administering the program to ensure illegal aliens cannot access taxpayer-funded subsidies and benefits."
The Heller amendment would have required that individuals applying for the public health care option would be subject to two systems used to verify immigration status already in use by the government: The Income and Eligibility Verification System (IEVS) and the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) program.

The two systems cross-reference Social Security numbers and employment information to establish whether an individual is a U.S. citizen.

Critics: Free Health Care Means More Illegals

A recent Rasmussen Reports poll found that an overwhelming 80 percent of Americans oppose covering illegals in any public health care bill.
Anti-immigration activists say the availability of low-cost benefits, including health insurance and in-state tuition, will only lure more immigrants to come to the United States.
Political analyst **** Morris, in his recently released best-selling book “Catastrophe”, warns that giving illegal free health care will lead to a flood of new illegals who can take advantage of such a benefit not offered in their home countries.
William Gheen, president of Americans for Legal Immigration, agrees with that sentiment, writing, "Each state and federal elected official must know that illegal aliens should not be given licenses, in-state tuition, mortgages, bank accounts, welfare, or any other benefit short of emergency medical care and law enforcement accommodations before they are deported."
But a small fraction of illegals end up deported, as many make widespread use of fake IDs to easily gain access to government benefits programs.
"Experts suggest that approximately 75 percent of working-age illegal aliens use fraudulent Social Security cards to obtain employment," wrote Ronald W. Mortensen in a recent Center for Immigration Studies research paper. Mortensen says one of the big misconceptions about illegals is that they are undocumented.
James R. Edwards Jr., co-author of The Congressional Politics of Immigration Reform, recently wrote on National Review Online that "it's hard to envision how health reform can avoid tripping the immigration booby trap."
Edwards says none of the legislation under consideration actually requires any state, federal, or local agency to check the immigration status of those who apply for the program.
The assumption is that companies have vetted their employees to ensure they are eligibility for legal employment – a difficult task for employers given the active market in fraudulent documents. Thus Edwards maintains "some of the money distributed … inevitably would go to illegal aliens."
The estimates of illegal aliens in the United States without health insurance vary. The most commonly cited statistic, attributed to the Center for Immigration Statistics and the U.S. Census Bureau, holds that 15 percent to 22 percent of the nation's 46 million uninsured are illegal aliens. That would be between 6.9 million and 10.1 million people. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama claimed the nation United States has 12 million or more undocumented aliens.
John Sheils of the Lewin Group, a health care consulting firm owned by UnitedHealth Group, recently told National Public Radio that about 6.1 million illegals – about half of all illegals in the United States – lack documentation and therefore would not be legally eligible for benefits under the current health care reforms.
Sheils says the other half of the nation's illegals – 5 million to 6 million – use false documents to obtain on-the-books employment. Many of them are already insured under their employers' plans, he added.
"A lot of those people are getting employer health benefits as part of their compensation," Sheils told NPR.
Certainly, some contend that undocumented workers who are gainfully employed and receiving benefits such as health insurance are contributing to society. But the fact remains that, once equipped with a fake ID, a person in the United States illegally can obtain both a job and the benefits that go with it.
Estimates of the cost of providing illegals with medical care vary. Most uninsured illegals who need medical attention obtain it from hospital emergency rooms. And several states are already straining under the huge burden of paying for the health costs of illegal aliens.
According to the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), in 2004 California's estimated cost of unreimbursed medical care was $1.4 billion. Texas estimated its cost at $850 million annually, and Arizona at $400 million.
Non-border states shoulder heavy burdens as well. Virginia's annual cost of providing health care for undocumented workers is approximately $100 million per year, FAIR reports, while Florida's health care cost is about $300 million annually.
One of the ironies of the proposed legislation is that it would fine American citizens who opt not to purchase insurance coverage, but would exempt illegals from such fines. This is presumably due to the fact that they are not supposed to participate in the program anyway.
Even if no illegals were likely to benefit from health care reform, Democrats have made it clear that amnesty is the next item on their ambitious legislative agenda.
"I've got to do health care, I've got to do energy, and then I'm looking very closely at doing immigration," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., declared in June.
Reid explained the urgent need for amnesty in terms very similar to those that Democrats have used to press for health care reform. "We have an immigration system that's broken and needs repair," Reid said.
Immigration expert Edwards, for one, says health-care reform may itself need serious medical attention before it is healthy enough pass through Congress.
"The American people may soon realize how much health reform will benefit immigrants and cost the native-born," he writes. "When that happens, the volatile politics of immigration could derail universal health care."

 

These walls of text look suspiciously like like a cat trying to pull the carpet over a hairball...

 

Why would they need one in Boston or Alaska?

http://www.mexonline.com/consulate.htm

You did not look very hard did you? Try Poland and Canada if you want to start finding them.